Sure seems quiet today

[Irving]

Absolutely true, and for everyone. I finally found a job I liked and was good at, but I didn't like the pay. So I got another one.

[cmailliard]

This is difficult for me, I have never had a job were pay was handled like this. All my jobs were based on position and seniority. The only one that had any wiggle room was a teacher, but that was only because the Principal fought to get us the most money he could (school vs other schools). Other than that I have never seen this, as a course of my jobs. As a Firefighter it was all rank, years, and special things (HazMat, etc.). As a contractor I make what I make based on effort and quality of work.

Personally, all things being equal (time, skills, performance, etc.) everyone should receive the same pay. However, as others have said, it is like eBay. The value of something is the value of something. If your soon to be employer offers you $40,000 but you think you are worth $50,000 you may keep looking. You may find you are not actually worth $50,000 because you have not found someone willing to pay that. Value fluctuates for many reasons and what one person was hired at, may not be the same a year from now.

[Jonsey]

This is really the issue, right? I hope we see more women dropping out of "feminism" since what is happening with it isn't actually good for women or men.

[Skip]

[snip]

This is really the issue, right? I hope we see more women dropping out of "feminism" since what is happening with it isn't actually good for women or men.

It's horrible for women. Everything feminists are bitching about now is an artifact of women have more freedom/choice than men.

More women in college
More women pursuing soft majors vs STEM
Women working shorter days
Women spending less aggregate time in the workforce
Women retiring before men
Women living longer than men
No fault divorce so women can violate their commitments at any time and for any reason


Men getting drafted
Men pay more in taxes
Men getting reamed in court on spousal support/child support
Men unable to opt out of parenthood post-conception
Men having less access to healthcare while costs are equalized
Fewer social "safety nets" for men, even single fathers in need


I'm all for equality! Let's make everything perfectly equal. Do feminists have idea what that would mean?

[Jonsey]

"I'm all for equality! Let's make everything perfectly equal. Do feminists have idea what that would mean?"

That would totally suck for women Skip, tell you the truth. You are right about all of this. We need to turn it around a bit. The battle of the sexes has gotten way out of hand.

[cstone]

Just because a few people out there believe we should be antagonistic toward one another because we are different from one another doesn't mean they are right or that we should believe them. I would hate living in a world full of people like me. I would hate to live in a world without people who are different. Because we are different, we can do more than if we were the same. If you are doing your thing, and I am doing my thing, lets see how we can make what we are doing better. It seems to be so much more productive than me focusing on how you being different from me makes me feel bad about myself.

Be safe.