For those of you who have lost a job,

[hurley842002]

I could argue both sides of the coin I guess.

Yeah, I've been arguing both sides in my head. I'm not a business owner, nor do I have a degree in business, so it's all just speculation on my part, based on my experiences.

[TheGrey]

I see the exact opposite in my field. I've got friends that have been shafted twice by younger employees that have sucked up time and resources and training before imploding in the way that only Millennials seem to be able to do. Now my friends won't even consider hiring anyone without some years' experience, and they would prefer a Gen X'er or someone older, with a concept of work loyalty and ethics. Right now, they're not even considering employees so much as subcontractors.

It's a shame they're not in the same field of work you are, Robb!

[Irving]

While I've not been part of the official hiring process, my friends were. The company I worked for couldn't even get someone who was a manager at a Chilis to come on board because the company wanted to start her at only 60 or 70% of what she was making. IMO, she was smart to stay away as she would have been treating get hair out with stress and corporate BS for way less money. When companies aren't competitive with wages, then they are fools to worry about snatching people up for the longterm. While that is certainly not specific to the industry I was in, I'm sure it's not quite the same in other professions.

[CS1983]

I see the exact opposite in my field. I've got friends that have been shafted twice by younger employees that have sucked up time and resources and training before imploding in the way that only Millennials seem to be able to do. Now my friends won't even consider hiring anyone without some years' experience, and they would prefer a Gen X'er or someone older, with a concept of work loyalty and ethics. Right now, they're not even considering employees so much as subcontractors.

It's a shame they're not in the same field of work you are, Robb!

I see it every day. Co-workers who spend 45 minutes jaw jacking and then close out one task, maybe. Spend 2 hours chasing their tails for reasons I cannot discern. They research out the wazoo to find solutions which don't apply to us due to our security posture (registry keys which don't exist, solutions which involve downloading 3rd party software [ a big no no, so not a solution], group policies which cannot be changed, etc.). One of my teammates has closed only 6 tickets this week, which is 30% of our individual weekly standard. I was at 200% of standard before COB Thursday. I'd made standard by COB Tuesday. I'd have likely been at 250% again had base not been closed due to road conditions. And yet I still manage to post on here and two other forums. How? Why? Simple: Time and Resource management. I know what I can do and what I literally cannot do. I cannot remotely update BIOS for a Project Manager showing as logged in and in a meeting cus that involves a restart. I can push software to them via SCCM and run a software scan the next day, see it's installed, and close the ticket. I can replace a keyboard when someone isn't there. I can start going through the OSI model to discern if an issue is physical or otherwise. I can remote into someone's machine if I see they are gone for the day. I can go to their desk, if I have room access, and log in w/ my own profile to try to recreate the issue and I know that if I cannot, it's likely profile based -- I can then rebuild their profile, contact them the next day and ask if the issue exists (it won't). I can look for unassigned tickets in areas I'll be in, and grab those to close them out while making the trek to that area.

I do plan my day each morning, and I work my plan -- if Jimmy in Engineering is #3 on my plan and fails to work out, I move to #4 and add a potential #end+1.

These are not difficult concepts. I learned them in the Army and from, get this, watching the older guys work.

[hurley842002]

I see the exact opposite in my field. I've got friends that have been shafted twice by younger employees that have sucked up time and resources and training before imploding in the way that only Millennials seem to be able to do. Now my friends won't even consider hiring anyone without some years' experience, and they would prefer a Gen X'er or someone older, with a concept of work loyalty and ethics. Right now, they're not even considering employees so much as subcontractors.

It's a shame they're not in the same field of work you are, Robb!

I've seen this as well, and the "millennial effect" with some of the new hires is quite noticeable. One thing is for certain, millennial's do a great job making me look good, as just showing up and doing my job is far and away more than you can expect from them, anything beyond just doing my job is icing on the cake. Worth noting, I fall on the borer of Gen X and Millennial, but considering I have much more in common with the Gen X crowd, that's what I claim.

[CS1983]

I've seen this as well, and the "millennial effect" with some of the new hires is quite noticeable. One thing is for certain, millennial's do a great job making me look good, as just showing up and doing my job is far and away more than you can expect from them, anything beyond just doing my job is icing on the cake. Worth noting, I fall on the borer of Gen X and Millennial, but considering I have much more in common with the Gen X crowd, that's what I claim.

Same here. I dunno if I'm technically gen X or Mill. Was born in late 83. I merely mimic the efficient and ignore the losers. Seems to work.

[ray1970]

We have certain geographical locations throughout my company where those employees are paid a higher rate in order to retain them.

For example, the guys doing my job in Wyoming make about $10K a year more than I do. (And they don't have to pay state income tax there so that's probably another $10K over what I make.)

[CS1983]

We have certain geographical locations throughout my company where those employees are paid a higher rate in order to retain them.

For example, the guys doing my job in Wyoming make about $10K a year more than I do. (And they don't have to pay state income tax there so that's probably another $10K over what I make.)

Wait... you could get paid more for living in a free state and you haven't asked to transfer?

[hurley842002]

Same here. I dunno if I'm technically gen X or Mill. Was born in late 83. I merely mimic the efficient and ignore the losers. Seems to work.

Yeah, Jan of 84 here. Demographers and researchers suggest Gen X ended in early 80's, but the Millennial generation also began in the early 80's. I attribute my work ethic to how I was raised, and not what generation I grew up in, but I'll be damned if I lump myself in the same category as a millennial lol. Sorry for straying OP.

[rondog]

It sucks being damn near 60 and job hunting, I garontee.....