14in PGO shotgun

[Gunner]

Can someone enlighten me on this
http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88

The 14″ Mossberg 500 That ISN’T NFA!

I get a lot of questions from customers about the “new” ATF ruling regarding pistol-grip-only (PGO) firearms with 14″ barrels that aren’t considered NFA items.Well, first off, let me say, it’s not a new ruling. It’s the same position that ATF has always taken regarding PGO firearms that fire a fixed shotgun shell that have NEVER had a buttstock attached to them—they’re NOT shotguns! They’re simply firearms. As such, they don’t necessarily need to have 18″+ barrels on them to remain out of the purview of the NFA.You see, the very definition of a “shotgun” requires that it be “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder…” Without a buttstock ever having been fitted to the PGO firearms in question, they can’t be fired from the shoulder and are therefore not shotguns. Hence, with a 14″ barrel, they can’t be considered short-barreled shotguns, as they aren’t shotguns to begin with. Read the full definition of a shotgun here.PGO firearms that remain longer than 26″ in overall length also can’t be defined as AOWs. That’s because the term “any other weapon” (AOW) means “any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person…” And ATF maintains that to be concealed, the firearm needs to be shorter than 26″. Read the full definition of an AOW here.More on the subject is available in these two letters to Len Savage—the guy who will be making a lot of these non-NFA firearms in the coming months and years:July 20, 2010 letter from NFA Tech Branch to Mr. Len SavageOctober 27, 2010 letter from NFA Tech Branch to Mr. Len SavagePage 1 of third letterPage 2 of third letterAll that said, I’m not a firearms attorney. And I’m not offering legal advice here. I am simply relating things the way I understand them. Be sure you check with all the appropriate agencies.Now, a pistol-grip-only Mossberg 500 with a 14″ barrel and the Raptor Grip installed measures 26.5″ in overall length (measured parallel to the bore).–Marty

[asmo]

Looks painful to shoot. I don't see why the ATF wont pull out the 'can be readily converted to' language to kill this if they want to.

[TFOGGER]

AOW is still an NFA weapon, as far as I know. The difference is that the tax stamp is $5 instead of $200. Maybe Alan from MGT can confirm this for us.

[Gunner]

Aprently this is not considerd an AOW. Not really NFA is how I read it.

[RYAN50BMG]

This is NFA. If the barrel is less than 18 inches, and it never had a shoulder stock on it, it is an AOW. If the barrel is less than 18 inches, and it did have a shoulder stock on it, it is a SBS (short barreled shotgun). I have a Tac Innovations "Super Shorty" and it transfered as an AOW.

[Great-Kazoo]

This is NFA. If the barrel is less than 18 inches, and it never had a shoulder stock on it, it is an AOW. If the barrel is less than 18 inches, and it did have a shoulder stock on it, it is a SBS (short barreled shotgun). I have a Tac Innovations "Super Shorty" and it transfered as an AOW.

Looks NFA to me. Or i paid a $5. tax for nothing on this Factory 590.

[Gunner]

The way I read that is if you buy a shotgun from the factory with a pistol grip and not a stock you can cut the barrel down to 14in and not have to go the NFA route as long as the overall length is over 26in. Now if you take a 590 or 500 and take the stock off then put a pistol grip you have to them go NFA.

[Irving]

I don't believe that to be true. ^^ Good way to find yourself reconstructing Ruby Ridge though.

[ChunkyMonkey]

The same thing with Tommy Gun pistol with forward grip.. The overall length is longer than 26", then per BATF, it is not AOW nor SBR.

This has been confirmed multiple times by ATF. That link also has the ATF letter.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I don't believe that to be true. ^^ Good way to find yourself reconstructing Ruby Ridge though.

In this case, he is correct. 26" LENGTH is the key.. as by Fed definition then it's not 'concealed able.'