Fook United Airlines

[Martinjmpr]

The bearing is that he has a history of acting abnormally so the security officers' story that they did NOT beat him and his injuries were caused by his own reactions is quite plausible. The doctor's past actions are not an excuse to beat him and I don't think anyone has said that. However, his past history lends some credence to the airline's story that he was being belligerent and disruptive -- and certainly does more to explain his injuries given the video evidence.

Dao's background is at least as relevant as Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown's backgrounds were.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Sorry foxtrot, this has nothing to do with with liking or agreeing with Dr. Dao. In fact, I would say it's quite the opposite: a lot of people are agreeing with him because they dislike the airline rather than because of the facts of the case or whether the actions were right or wrong.

I agree his past criminal (or not) history is irrelevant. What I'm saying is that his behaviorial history actually IS relevant because it bears on whether you believe his injuries were caused by the officers (none of whom seemed to be swinging violently) or self-inflicted by hysterical resistance. A past history of PTSD does actually make the self-infliction scenario more likely -- and I completely disagree that it's unlikely he knocked himself out. If he's thrashing around and hits his head violently on the armrest, it's a good bet that he stunned himself as well -- especially given the broken nose and 2 teeth knocked out. Again, go back to the viral video -- do you see ANY violent arm swings by the security officers?

I get that a lot of you are inherently suspicious of self-important tyrants or mall cops. I even agree with that under some circumstances but what I saw and heard from the video seemed to fit better with Dao spazzing out and hurting himself than with a mall cop busting on him because he could. The question of whether United should have deboarded him or other passengers is a separate question from whether they did something wrong in the process of deboarding. ON the first point, Scalia used to maintain a law could be wrong morally or ethically and still be constitutional. Similarly, I maintain the airline shouldn't have gone through deboarding the way they did but they had every right to do so. On the second point, it seems more likely to me that his injuries were self-inflicted by his behavior.

[00tec]

How about this argument: Nobody should have put their hands on that man. No hands on that man, no resistance.

Someone puts their hands on you, you pull your firearm, they stab you... your fault?

[BushMasterBoy]

The good news is Delta is now authorizing their agents to allow up to $10,000 to unseat you from one of their flights. 10K...my ass will fly off that plane!

[Madeinhb]

The good news is Delta is now authorizing their agents to allow up to $10,000 to unseat you from one of their flights. 10K...my ass will fly off that plane!

Will never happen. United agents have up to 10k also but they never get near it.

[kfr]

Will never happen. United agents have up to 10k also but they never get near it.

Well I'll bet dinky Dau will get at least $5 million.

[Dave_L]

Will never happen. United agents have up to 10k also but they never get near it.

If they have up to $10k, then this is 100000% on United.

(Assuming I'm understanding the comment correctly.)

[Madeinhb]

If they have up to $10k, then this is 100000% on United.

(Assuming I'm understanding the comment correctly.)

Yes. My brothers friend is a pilot for United. He has said they have up to 10k but never go near it. I'm not sure if it's 10k per customer or per flight. But I've never seen anyone go above $1500.

[Gman]

This is very much on United. They ran into a contingency that they had poorly planned for and decided that their customers should be negatively impacted rather than finding a better way. That's why folks don't like to fly, because they're the consumer and being treated like crap.

When this is all said and done, United could have chartered a private flight for their crew and still come way out ahead.

I wonder if an airline could survive if they catered to their clientele instead of the current fight for the bottom of the market with fees for everything? You won't be squeezed into your seat, they'll make sure you have a good experience, and you'll pay a premium for the service.

[Madeinhb]

This is very much on United. They ran into a contingency that they had poorly planned for and decided that their customers should be negatively impacted rather than finding a better way. That's why folks don't like to fly, because they're the consumer and being treated like crap.

When this is all said and done, United could have chartered a private flight for their crew and still come way out ahead.

I wonder if an airline could survive if they catered to their clientele instead of the current fight for the bottom of the market with fees for everything? You won't be squeezed into your seat, they'll make sure you have a good experience, and you'll pay a premium for the service.

Or put their crew on another airline that night. This happens all the time.