Fook United Airlines

[Aloha_Shooter]

The issue here is Republic handled this wrong and let the entire plane board. I just read that United changed its policy and all staff needs to be there 1 hour prior to flight in order to bump people prior to getting on the plane.

.. and that is why I draw a distinction between being denied boarding and being deboarded involuntarily.

FWIW, as I recall, when the airline doesn't get you on the flight you booked and can't get you back out on their own flights within some time period (2 hours? 4?), they are obligated to get you on a competitor's flight if seats are available. IIRC, there's an exception to that rule for weather but not for mechanical issues or crew changes. Maybe one of the aviation professionals here could either confirm or set me right on this?

[Madeinhb]

.. and that is why I draw a distinction between being denied boarding and being deboarded involuntarily.

FWIW, as I recall, when the airline doesn't get you on the flight you booked and can't get you back out on their own flights within some time period (2 hours? 4?), they are obligated to get you on a competitor's flight if seats are available. IIRC, there's an exception to that rule for weather but not for mechanical issues or crew changes. Maybe one of the aviation professionals here could either confirm or set me right on this?

I can attest to this. Not sure the timing. But I had a flight with United. At the connecting city - they out me on Delta back to Denver.

[brutal]

Same goes with hotel rooms booked through third party websites.

True, but if you have status with either, that does get you some consideration.

It's wise to sign up for the rewards programs of anyone you do business with.

While I did 99.99% of my hotel business with Hilton, we used to visit the kids in Tacoma and always did Priceline for those stays because the Courtyard downtown was the only 4-star and we could get the room cheaper. Always treated like any other regular if there was ever an issue.

Then again, I try to be polite, respectful of others in nearly any circumstance, and not be a whiney asshole jerkoff.

[brutal]

.. and that is why I draw a distinction between being denied boarding and being deboarded involuntarily.

FWIW, as I recall, when the airline doesn't get you on the flight you booked and can't get you back out on their own flights within some time period (2 hours? 4?), they are obligated to get you on a competitor's flight if seats are available. IIRC, there's an exception to that rule for weather but not for mechanical issues or crew changes. Maybe one of the aviation professionals here could either confirm or set me right on this?

I can attest to this. Not sure the timing. But I had a flight with United. At the connecting city - they out me on Delta back to Denver.

Not sure the exact "rules" but we've been seated on other carriers at times when necessary, I can recall that using UA, Frontier, and Midwest Express back in the day.

[yz9890]

The issue here is Republic handled this wrong and let the entire plane board. I just read that United changed its policy and all staff needs to be there 1 hour prior to flight in order to bump people prior to getting on the plane.

Republic didn't board that flight. United did. Republic has no staff at ORD. The boarding policies, booking software, agents, and decisions were main line United.

1hr prior to boarding will be interesting. Especially on those scheduled 35 minute turns. The cancellations that will cause won't make the news though.

[BushMasterBoy]

[Ridge]

The cancellations that will cause won't make the news though.

It doesn't need to. It's the airline's own problem if they can't manage their staff well enough.

[yz9890]

It doesn't need to. It's the airline's own problem if they can't manage their staff well enough.

Of course it doesn't need to. If they chose to staff for it then it will likely force the airline to use flight crews even less efficiently than 117 already does and therefore reduce the flights offered due to lack of crews and then increase cost of the flights that remain to cover loss of passenger seat-miles.

Yes, an effective way to reduce the number of flight cancellations is to reduce the number of flights offered. Other airlines have done it and some have figured out how to survive. For now at least.

I'm not saying there aren't things that can be done. Most of the suggestions in this forum ignore the regulatory environment and actual environment the industry operates in though. Not to mention the CBA's.

The FAA just made it extremely difficult, time consuming, and expensive to get an ATP. Then they required 121 first officers (not just the captain) to have an ATP. Then they knee jerked all new duty/rest regulations to make it even more difficult to use the already dwindling supply of pilots. Mainline carriers will eventually feel the pinch as the number of available of regional pilots they can hire dries up.

The industry will look very different in a couple of years. For better or worse. And it's often hard to imagine it can get worse.

[Aloha_Shooter]

No one will remember any of this when Sgt Snuffy is unable to get home due to a flight cancellation because the crew taking him home were unable to get to the airport he was flying from but oh well ...

[TFOGGER]

Simple solution: Require carriers to keep say, 3 percent, of seats open on any particular flight for standby passengers and crew deadheads. Allow them to raise the ticket prices by exactly the same percentage.