Fook United Airlines

[Aloha_Shooter]

"Nobody could quickly get inside his mind and know what he was thinking or his true mental state. For all we know, he could have thrown a physical fit, grabbed at and gouged out the eyes of another passenger."

Now, turn that to "Nobody could quickly get inside the mind of a guy with a gun in its holster on his hip. For all we know, he could have thrown a physical fit, pulled out the gun and shot another bystander."

Did the guy do everything right? No, but United did a hell of a lot terribly.

Oh c'mon, that's utter nonsense. I think the aviation security officers seem to have gone overboard but all Republic/United did was attempt to get volunteers and then deboard (NOT deny boarding) randomly selected passengers in order to get a crew to the next stop. You have a guy with a history of PTSD and "episodes" who was clearly acting out emotionally (and possibly more than that from the wail he let out on the viral video). The aviation security officers were NOT beating him -- dragging him was poor optics but at that point he wasn't taking any more damage and they were getting him off the plane ASAP so it could finish boarding and departure procedures.

Munoz's first email to his employees was clearly intended to bolster the morale inside the company and his public statements were guarded but while I think there were things they could have done better, I completely disagree that they did a lot terribly. Dr. Dao on the other hand was an unfortunate victim who did everything wrong he possibly could have.

[Joe_K]

[brutal]

Didn't Doctor Deranged reboard after they took him off/denied boarding the first time?

They always seem to leave that part out.

[yz9890]

Maybe could have been handled better. Oh well. It wasn't United proper, but a contractor. It wasn't United staff that pulled the guy out of the seat, it was the PD. Interesting that neither Republic nor the PD are getting pounded over this.

Republic operated the flight but has no airport staff. The gate agents, ticket agents, rampers, CRO's, booking software, boarding polices, and decisions were all UAL's.

The only Republic staff associated with that were the flight crews and i can tell you from experience that the crew being moved probably didn't care if they got on that flight or not. Their FAR 117 flight/duty time limitations probably necessitated the bumping of the passengers but they just get a dead head assignment from crew scheduling and the gate agent handles it (or doesn't). Same for the crew operating the flight. The gate agent facilitates boarding. There is some authority there for the captain but with the door open and law enforcement onboard there's really not much the crew should do at that point. I've had numerous people removed from flights for various reasons and all I do is tell the gate agent how many and to let me know when it's done.

[Joe_K]

Read the thread, saw the video clips, heard the weeping and gnashing of teeth. For a country built by rough men who sailed across high seas on leaky wooden ships we have sunk this low. What a bunch of whiny pussies.

1. No one forces anyone to fly.
2. Flying is NOT a right.
3. Last I checked private businesses still have rights.
4. Screw entitled scum bags.
5. We as a society are the most entitled, lazy, effeminate, whiny, complaining, mouth breathing bunch of ignoramus idjits this country has ever produced.
6. In [insert your favorite third world shit hole here] people walk barefoot for hours to get dirty water in 100 + degree heat to survive. Thousands of people are rounded up and killed because they said the wrong thing, or worshipped the wrong God. But in America the land of the free and the home of the brave we start sobbing because some entitled whiny fuck won't give up his seat. And books his stupid face on a stupid seat. Get over yourself.

End Rant.

[KevDen2005]

Read the thread, saw the video clips, heard the weeping and gnashing of teeth. For a country built by rough men who sailed across high seas on leaky wooden ships we have sunk this low. What a bunch of whiny pussies.

1. No one forces anyone to fly.
2. Flying is NOT a right.
3. Last I checked private businesses still have rights.
4. Screw entitled scum bags.
5. We as a society are the most entitled, lazy, effeminate, whiny, complaining, mouth breathing bunch of ignoramus idjits this country has ever produced.
6. In [insert your favorite third world shit hole here] people walk barefoot for hours to get dirty water in 100 + degree heat to survive. Thousands of people are rounded up and killed because they said the wrong thing, or worshipped the wrong God. But in America the land of the free and the home of the brave we start sobbing because some entitled whiny fuck won't give up his seat. And books his stupid face on a stupid seat. Get over yourself.

End Rant.

Best post of the entire thread.

I read all the entire thread as well. It seems this matter was a little more touchy than I would have expected

[Ridge]

Read the thread, saw the video clips, heard the weeping and gnashing of teeth. For a country built by rough men who sailed across high seas on leaky wooden ships we have sunk this low. What a bunch of whiny pussies.

1. No one forces anyone to fly.
2. Flying is NOT a right.
3. Last I checked private businesses still have rights.
4. Screw entitled scum bags.
5. We as a society are the most entitled, lazy, effeminate, whiny, complaining, mouth breathing bunch of ignoramus idjits this country has ever produced.
6. In [insert your favorite third world shit hole here] people walk barefoot for hours to get dirty water in 100 + degree heat to survive. Thousands of people are rounded up and killed because they said the wrong thing, or worshipped the wrong God. But in America the land of the free and the home of the brave we start sobbing because some entitled whiny fuck won't give up his seat. And books his stupid face on a stupid seat. Get over yourself.

End Rant.

Okay, but how does any of that excuse United "volunteering" a paying customer to give up their seat so some United employees can get a free ride to a city 4 hours away by car, so they can be on a flight in another 20 hours? And then when the tribute refused, United sicked the airport cops on him, who then gave him a concussion and dragged him off the flight, where they apparently beat him some more?

[yz9890]

Okay, but how does any of that excuse United "volunteering" a paying customer to give up their seat so some United employees can get a free ride to a city 4 hours away by car, so they can be on a flight in another 20 hours?

First of all, if UAL wants them in SDF then of course they're going to foot the bill. Second, there are several variables that affect the required rest period prior to beginning a new flight duty period. What time of day they're to report for duty, how many segments they'll fly, time zone crossing, rolling yearly, weekly, and daily limits, whether or not there previous rest period was reduced etc. And regulatory issues aside, there's likely a CBA that describes acceptable methods to move a crew.

I'm not saying it doesn't suck but a hundred other crew movements happened that day and likely that many bumped passengers as well. No one bled, screamed, and fainted or no one put it on Facebook though so those other events didn't make the news.

[BushMasterBoy]

The guy that was beat is still going to get way more money this year than most forum members.

[MrPrena]

Maybe we should also create a sub-thread
"Craziest things you saw at the Airport/Airplane."

I got so many stories..