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    Quote Originally Posted by brutal View Post
    Oh Lord, when will the madness stop?
    Checked my calendar. I didn't see the day where the world comes to an end but I'm pretty sure that's the day the madness stops as well.

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    All the 2nd hand phone calls in the world are just meaningless noise until the ATF issues a new determination letter, and it is signed by someone with the word "director" somewhere in their title.
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    ignorance. Ever found a liberal that you can have a discussion with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    People often wonder about the thought process of the ATF with all of the inconsistencies and logical failures. I submit that in order to understand the ATF, one must view them in the same context of the utter failure that was the war on drugs. It was never effective, every one knew that it was never effective, but the government continued to double down on failed policies "because the people who broke the arbitrary laws we created were BAD people and needed to be caught and punished."
    At least in 1933 they conceded that the law was unenforceable. Now they just throw more money at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    In the long term, this ability of the ATF to make law out of whole cloth by just writing a letter has to stop.

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    “Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

    ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


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