Car jacking scenario

[theGinsue]

Here is another fun situation for you guys to test your knowledge. Try to guess which one of these scenarios (or both - or neither) are one in which you could use lethal force in Colorado. [Note - I am not advocating the use of lethal force in these situations, nor would wisdom likely justify it, e.g. rioters would probably eat you]

A) Killdozer mark two is chugging away, blade lowered, driving straight to your house. Through PA speakers the driver announces "F*** you (name) say bye to your house!" Your family has already evacuated the residence and nobody is left inside. Can you apply lethal force to shoot the driver?

B) Rioters are outside your house. Most of them are peaceful, holding up signs, saying "You look like poo, Mr. Ginsue" or whatever they happen to be protesting. Once again, you and your family are safely outside your residence. You see one of the protesters light a Molotov cocktail and he stretches his arm back apparently preparing to throw it towards your house. Can you apply lethal force to shoot this rioter?

Consider these situations before reading below. Both, neither, or which one?
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Potentially Option B: The only circumstance where you can apply lethal force in defense of property in this State is one in which someone is about to commit felony arson.

Dannnng, I'm just a mild mannered spectator here too.

At my kids school, parents leave the car running with kids inside all the time. Mind boggles me to no end. Sad thing is these morons have a false sense of security because it is in the "Broadmoor" and must think crime is never happens if over there.

I hear about various acts of criminal activity all over the Broadmoor area every week on the news. Those folks better wake up because the criminals have come to realize that part of town is target rich.

[ColoradoTJ]

I hear about various acts of criminal activity all over the Broadmoor area every week on the news. Those folks better wake up because the criminals have come to realize that part of town is target rich.

If I was a crook, this area would be the first place to go. Now there are a good chance you would be on several cameras systems, but some people don't care.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I'm wondering if even "presenting" your weapon during this scenario would result in criminal charges against you. Just going off the video without the Other What If's.....bad guy sees you draw and aim, speeds off and the car owner gets seriously injured in the process.

One person trying to cover two mobile targets simultaneously? The lady safety and your own safety.

Against all my own personal wishes about the pricks doing bad, isn't the answer here just plain NO, period?

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm wondering if even "presenting" your weapon during this scenario would result in criminal charges against you. Just going off the video without the Other What If's.....bad guy sees you draw and aim, speeds off and the car owner gets seriously injured in the process.

One person trying to cover two mobile targets simultaneously? The lady safety and your own safety.

Against all my own personal wishes about the pricks doing bad, isn't the answer here just plain NO, period?

Scenario as in being on the hood or trying to stop them while you're standing there?

Forget on the hood. As for standing there. UNLESS you left a family member in the vehicle. It's a car, let it go.

There's also the unknown scenario.
Where CCW or other gun owner only sees you point a gun at the car. Worse yet, an off duty LE walks out as you're drawing down. Unaware of what transpired that had you draw your gun.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Scenario as in being on the hood or trying to stop them while you're standing there?

Forget on the hood. As for standing there. UNLESS you left a family member in the vehicle. It's a car, let it go.

There's also the unknown scenario.
Where CCW or other gun owner only sees you point a gun at the car. Worse yet, an off duty LE walks out as you're drawing down. Unaware of what transpired that had you draw your gun.

Well....standing there. As if I were pumping gas for my own car, and I see all this happen. I can't see if there's a kid in the car, or her mother in the back seat...etc, etc. So my question to this deal was basically to do nothing, ......right? OP cites the video as the scenario, I don't think any action on my part would be protected under any law, and I would be subject to prosecution of some sort for "Helping".

[sniper7]

I just wonder what was going though the carjackers mind at the time. And then the driver of the getaway vehicle as well. They are probably still locked up in their shithole apartment wonder wtf went wrong with their genius plan!

[Great-Kazoo]

Well....standing there. As if I were pumping gas for my own car, and I see all this happen. I can't see if there's a kid in the car, or her mother in the back seat...etc, etc. So my question to this deal was basically to do nothing, ......right? OP cites the video as the scenario, I don't think any action on my part would be protected under any law, and I would be subject to prosecution of some sort for "Helping".

Be a good witness. You're only seeing 1 section of the puzzle. How do you know the vehicle isn't being repossessed? OR her drunk friend is messing with her?

[OtterbatHellcat]

It is unfortunate, to some extent,.....that legally carrying has so many pitfalls and opportunities for getting yourself into trouble because you thought you were helping someone.

LE face this x 100 I know, but just saying. Anything less than an active shooter scenario seems to be a certain prison sentence, including self defense unless it's inside your home. Super high risk at the minimum.

[theGinsue]

It is unfortunate, to some extent,.....that legally carrying has so many pitfalls and opportunities for getting yourself into trouble because you thought you were helping someone.

LE face this x 100 I know, but just saying. Anything less than an active shooter scenario seems to be a certain prison sentence, including self defense unless it's inside your home. Super high risk at the minimum.

We live in a litigious society. It's only gotten worse over the last 20 years and I suspect it'll be getting much worse before it completely destroys itself or society. Because of this, a wise firearm owner would protect themself with insurance created especially for the occasions where you use a firearm to protect yourself (even in your home) such as the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network, USCCA and the NRA's new Carry Guard. There are many providers out there and which is best for you should come after evaluating each of them.

Here's a good Guns&Ammo article on the subject:
http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-t...rry-insurance/

The article at this site provides links to many of the insurance options out there:
http://concealednation.org/2015/09/a...ld-you-get-it/

[DenverGP]

Personally I don't advocate for carry insurance. An umbrella homeowners insurance policy maybe.

By far, BY FAR, I'd suggest skipping the insurance and spending your money on a proper irrevocable trust setup.

That seems like it protects against the resulting civil suit, but wouldn't do anything for the possible criminal trial.