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[Ronin13]

I pray, and expect a civil war wouldn't happen. I also don't think we'd ever see a large scale civil war in this country- it would mostly be relegated to flare ups like in Watts, Chicago, and LA during their respective riots. But on a nationwide scale? Doubtful, with how disjointed and spread out America is, and the varying ideologies. Not saying it could never happen, and I pray it never does, but there was a song in the 90's that said "I'd start a revolution, if I could get up in the morning."

[CS1983]

I think the more likely scenario is that a trends towards such an event would spur the rise of an overtly authoritarian state in the name of "public safety". Then would begin the ideological purges. The best that could be hoped for would be an underground resistance.

What say you, s2?

[Zundfolge]

For some reason I get the feeling some actually have a sort of romantic or fantasy notion of what it might be like.

Every time this discussion comes up, someone makes this point.

I kind of see where you're coming from, but discussing the inevitability of civil war is not the same thing as fantasizing about it. At this point something's got to give and we can no longer rely on long term peaceful co-existence with the left. At some point there will be shooting. Accepting this reality and pointing to the hopeful aspects (the idea that the right is better armed, trained and ready for actual war than the left, for example) is a necessary part of the process of steeling ourselves against the coming unpleasantness.

As a parallel, I don't ever want to have to kill some meth-head who is trying to harm my family, but most of us here prepare for that eventuality both mentally and with training. Would any of us accept someone coming here and saying in every thread about crime preparation; "I get the feeling some of you people here are just fantasizing about murdering people."? Not saying that's what you're doing, but it is interesting that this same tired argument comes up in such discussions outside this site.


I think we can all acknowledge that almost nobody on the right really wants civil war (if we did, well it would have already happened).

But on a nationwide scale? Doubtful, with how disjointed and spread out America is, and the varying ideologies.

The first Civil War was not really nation wide either. It was a limited regional conflict.

The big difference between the first Civil War and a possible upcoming right v left civil war is that the first had clearly defined territories. An Ideological civil war will look more like "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland ... and last a long time (assuming there isn't a swift civil rights crackdown, which I frankly think is the entire purpose the leftist elites are pushing for war).

[sigmanx]

Every time this discussion comes up, someone makes this point.

I kind of see where you're coming from, but discussing the inevitability of civil war is not the same thing as fantasizing about it. At this point something's got to give and we can no longer rely on long term peaceful co-existence with the left. At some point there will be shooting. Accepting this reality and pointing to the hopeful aspects (the idea that the right is better armed, trained and ready for actual war than the left, for example) is a necessary part of the process of steeling ourselves against the coming unpleasantness.

As a parallel, I don't ever want to have to kill some meth-head who is trying to harm my family, but most of us here prepare for that eventuality both mentally and with training. Would any of us accept someone coming here and saying in every thread about crime preparation; "I get the feeling some of you people here are just fantasizing about murdering people."? Not saying that's what you're doing, but it is interesting that this same tired argument comes up in such discussions outside this site.


I think we can all acknowledge that almost nobody on the right really wants civil war (if we did, well it would have already happened).




The first Civil War was not really nation wide either. It was a limited regional conflict.

The big difference between the first Civil War and a possible upcoming right v left civil war is that the first had clearly defined territories. An Ideological civil war will look more like "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland ... and last a long time (assuming there isn't a swift civil rights crackdown, which I frankly think is the entire purpose the leftist elites are pushing for war).

As of Wednesday morning shots have been fired.

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[Ronin13]

I think the more likely scenario is that a trends towards such an event would spur the rise of an overtly authoritarian state in the name of "public safety". Then would begin the ideological purges. The best that could be hoped for would be an underground resistance.

What say you, s2?

You're not talking as in a pseudo martial law type of thing? I could honestly see more of the Post-9/11 type of thing getting rolled out (Patriot Act x10) under Trump, but the thought makes me skeptical with how everyone wants to impeach Trump each time he sneezes.

[Dave_L]

(assuming there isn't a swift civil rights crackdown, which I frankly think is the entire purpose the leftist elites are pushing for war).

I'm with you on this one. I really think thats the point of all this. Poke the bear til it has had enough and then kill the bear once it hits back.

[CS1983]

You're not talking as in a pseudo martial law type of thing? I could honestly see more of the Post-9/11 type of thing getting rolled out (Patriot Act x10) under Trump, but the thought makes me skeptical with how everyone wants to impeach Trump each time he sneezes.

I think it would be a mistake to assume such an occurrence under any particular "administration" as a method of gauging viability of the scenario. Rather, as a scenario in general how do you feel about the prospect and then how would you see it under Trump, etc.?

Also, recall that in times of chaos, people will put aside their prejudices for the appearance of security and safety.

[Ronin13]

I think it would be a mistake to assume such an occurrence under any particular "administration" as a method of gauging viability of the scenario. Rather, as a scenario in general how do you feel about the prospect and then how would you see it under Trump, etc.?

Also, recall that in times of chaos, people will put aside their prejudices for the appearance of security and safety.

Depends on if it's slow and incremental (like with our 2A rights) or a knee-jerk response to some kind of event. I am not sure the American public has a lot of tolerance for a full crack down of civil liberties, especially under Trump. But you know what Franklin said "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

[Alpha2]

Has anybody notice that the shooter looks suspiciously like Mike Ditka??? My trophy wife noticed, and I thought "I knew I recognized him!"

[sigmanx]

Has anybody notice that the shooter looks suspiciously like Mike Ditka??? My trophy wife noticed, and I thought "I knew I recognized him!"

Yep, lol.

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