Another try @ Green Mtn

[OneGuy67]

I have not notice any shop owners commenting or asking for LE stakeouts. It's mostly been us forum members. So should we make a law that holds the shop owners personally accountable?

There isn't a need for an additional law. My statement was directed at those who are calling for additional LE resources to protect personal property and when I used the term "personal accountability", it is directed at the owners who do not do anything to ensure their property is secured, not a legal standpoint of tort accountability. At some point, the owner's insurance is going to balk at paying out for losses when the owner is irresponsible. I suspect that Triple J's insurance company has had a serious conversation with him or internally regarding his 3rd burglary within a year and whether or not they want to continue to insure his business.

[hurley842002]

So should we make a law that holds the shop owners personally accountable?

No, what kind of an absurd suggestion is that? Sounds like something a Democrat would introduce as legislation.

[ChunkyMonkey]

How about some personal accountability by the owners? Instead of wanting LE to sit on their property for free, have the property owner hire a $10 an hour security guard? Maybe lock their inventory up at night?

THIS! Thank you

[ChunkyMonkey]

How about some personal accountability by the owners? Instead of wanting LE to sit on their property for free, have the property owner hire a $10 an hour security guard? Maybe lock their inventory up at night?

You reminded me of this! LOL

[.455_Hunter]

How about some personal accountability by the owners? Instead of wanting LE to sit on their property for free, have the property owner hire a $10 an hour security guard? Maybe lock their inventory up at night?

All of those of are good ideas, especially the hardening of the target so an enhanced smash and grab is not so fruitful. It may become readily apparent (and backed-up by ATF regulation) that a leased former nail salon in a strip mall is not a suitable location for a gun shop, especially if appropriate enhancements are not permitted by the property owner.

However, if the systematic targeting of gunshops in a specific regional area with the result being hundreds firearms directly entering the criminal market does not justify some proactive response from LE agencies, then what series of crimes will ever meet that criteria?

[OneGuy67]

However, if the systematic targeting of gunshops in a specific regional area with the result being hundreds firearms directly entering the criminal market does not justify some proactive response from LE agencies, then what series of crimes will ever meet that criteria?

I have no answer for you. Whatever criminal act you feel needs a more proactive response must be weighed against available manpower, case loads, budget considerations, call loads, political influence, crime severity, et al, to name just a few of the considerations.

In the end, we are talking about a property crime. The owners of the shops need to protect their investments and lower their insurance costs by securing their inventory. The same would go for a jewelry shop who left their inventory out at night or frankly, any type of business that doesn't take measures to protect their inventory. Those that do not will eventually find themselves uninsurable and eventually out of business.

[GilpinGuy]

I think the fact that these are establishments that we visit or at least support philosophically make some take a more emotional stance and demand the government intervene by having police stake outs.

It's a shop owners responsibility to secure and protect their property, not the governments. Period. Just like it's not the duty of the police to ensure your personal safety.

And I get the "but these guns will get into criminals hands" argument.

Well then, let's involve the government further. Make it the gun shops responsibility for any crime that's committed with firearms stolen from their shops. You don't think the libtards have thought of this? What a horrendous idea.

How about this? The government decides to have stake outs all over town at gun stores. After a while we hear Hickenlooper say "Well since so many law enforcement resources are allocated to this epidemic, we will now impose a 5% tax on all gun and ammo sales to fund this enforcement."

Keep goverment out of your business at all costs if you don't want them to negatively impact your life/business.