Another attempted gun store burglary

[MrAK]

Well, the fact that doing what you described is orders of magnitude more difficult, time consuming and likely to result in the thieves getting caught maybe?

And that's my point - it's all about making yourself a "hard target." Thieves look for low hanging fruit to pick. It's a lot easier to smash-and-grab from a strip mall gun store when the guns are just sitting in the display cases waiting to be taken, than it is to put together an "Ocean's Eleven" crew to pull off a sophisticated heist at a National Guard Armory.

Hopefully local gun shops are taking these measures into consideration and re-evaluating their security practices.

I don't like heavy-handed regulations any more than any of you do, but simply shrugging our shoulders and saying "ain't it awful?" is not really a viable option. There are measures that can be taken to make this kind of theft less attractive to the thieves and I would hope that the smart business owners are doing just that.

My point about the boom trucks is that once the median height of the low hanging fruit increases, the thieves tactics will change. Just because it's more difficult doesn't mean they'll stop trying as they're already putting in some work on these hits. When I was a kid, my dad was a partner at a couple of shops in Texas. It was well known that the primary owner at one of those shops had his residence in the back, so when a handful of Mexican nationals drove a Toyota through the front of the store, they exited the vehicle armed and immediately began firing. They thought they knew what they were in for but the reward was still great enough for them. I think Jim was the owners name, he sent 3 of those guys to the morgue and one to ICU.

[ChunkyMonkey]

While you guys arguing back and forth, please keep in mind that the last few attempts failed. Gun stores have more to lose than anyone else at this point. ATF and insurance do put a lot of pressure on us.

Guns need to be locked up every night, I agree and ours are. CGC DOES lock their firearms cabinet and display (They are locked nightly and extremely hard to get in). Their gun cabinets and showroom are designed by http://www.dstopeka.com/ They still got hit, because criminals are stupid by nature. Remember Dave's gun? Almost 20 year ago, they drove a suburban through the concrete wall to get behind the vault.

Furthermore, they are 2000s FFL in Colorado alone. You will not see lost/stolen guns from homebased FFL on the news. They do happen.

Finally, per BJS, 600k firearms are stolen annually, mostly from private homes. Why this is important? For those who wants some kind of mandate for gun storage/ security, its a slippery slope. It will not stop at gun stores - it will affect individual owners (see German's law or EU firearm storage directive as an example). Enforcement will means gun owners losing the 4th amendment.

Trust me, most gun store owners are talking to each other to address this issue. Some are more aware than the rest - thats just human nature. But changes are coming to most stores, thats for sure.

[Dave_L]

While you guys arguing back and forth, please keep in mind that the last few attempts failed. Gun stores have more to lose than anyone else at this point. ATF and insurance do put a lot of pressure on us.

Guns need to be locked up every night, I agree and ours are. CGC DOES lock their firearms cabinet and display (They are locked nightly and extremely hard to get in). Their gun cabinets and showroom are designed by http://www.dstopeka.com/ They still got hit, because criminals are stupid by nature. Remember Dave's gun? Almost 20 year ago, they drove a suburban through the concrete wall to get behind the vault.

Furthermore, they are 2000s FFL in Colorado alone. You will not see lost/stolen guns from homebased FFL on the news. They do happen.

Finally, per BJS, 600k firearms are stolen annually, mostly from private homes. Why this is important? For those who wants some kind of mandate for gun storage/ security, its a slippery slope. It will not stop at gun stores - it will affect individual owners (see German's law or EU firearm storage directive as an example). Enforcement will means gun owners losing the 4th amendment.

Trust me, most gun store owners are talking to each other to address this issue. Some are more aware than the rest - thats just human nature. But changes are coming to most stores, thats for sure.

And there you have it. Thanks for the input.

[DireWolf]

Just out of curiosity, anyone know what the law says on active (automated or remote-controlled) non-lethal defensive/anti-theft systems?

Thinking there may be a market to develop such technologies, and it's likely that most of the building blocks for such systems are already available...

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[00tec]

Just out of curiosity, anyone know what the law says on active (automated or remote-controlled) non-lethal defensive/anti-theft systems?

Thinking there may be a market to develop such technologies, and it's likely that most of the building blocks for such systems are already available...

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[MrAK]

While you guys arguing back and forth, please keep in mind that the last few attempts failed. Gun stores have more to lose than anyone else at this point. ATF and insurance do put a lot of pressure on us.

Guns need to be locked up every night, I agree and ours are. CGC DOES lock their firearms cabinet and display (They are locked nightly and extremely hard to get in). Their gun cabinets and showroom are designed by http://www.dstopeka.com/ They still got hit, because criminals are stupid by nature. Remember Dave's gun? Almost 20 year ago, they drove a suburban through the concrete wall to get behind the vault.

Furthermore, they are 2000s FFL in Colorado alone. You will not see lost/stolen guns from homebased FFL on the news. They do happen.

Finally, per BJS, 600k firearms are stolen annually, mostly from private homes. Why this is important? For those who wants some kind of mandate for gun storage/ security, its a slippery slope. It will not stop at gun stores - it will affect individual owners (see German's law or EU firearm storage directive as an example). Enforcement will means gun owners losing the 4th amendment.

Trust me, most gun store owners are talking to each other to address this issue. Some are more aware than the rest - thats just human nature. But changes are coming to most stores, thats for sure.

Just trying to add to the dialectic, you make some great points here though.