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    I, like many of us, have great respect for police dogs. All the facets that they can be trained to do is amazing. When I see an actual impaired person relying on a trained canine, I'm am nothing less than emphatically impressed.

    Trained in search and rescue, tracking, drugs, explosives, psychological/ emotional, other health issues, etc. etc. Really cool applications like that.

    Someone who abuses the Service Dog Title?...........blow me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Cite an example where a person was charged with First Degree Murder (of a police officer) for killing a police dog. Killing a police dog is not the same as killing a police officer. Sure...in an emotional context people may say that...but it's hyperbole and everyone (at least reasonable people) knows that.

    Having said that, killing a police dog should carry a hefty punishment. A lot of time, effort and expense goes into acquiring, training and maintaining police dogs. You'd be punished for destroying another piece of high value police equipment (like a vehicle) so it should be no less for killing a police dog. You'd also be charged for killing your neighbor's dog while committing a crime (which is when most people kill police dogs) in most places.
    I don't know what the official charges were or what they pled to...

    http://www.akc.org/content/entertain...long-sentence/

    http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/man-...ry?id=41645362

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96229&page=1

    But the sentences are in line with killing a person. And these sentences are not in line with the destruction of property. You steal or destroy something you are not typically going to get 10+ years in prison much less closer to 40. Moreover there are people who have been convicted of murder who have gotten sentences less than 40 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WETWRKS View Post
    I don't know what the official charges were or what they pled to...

    http://www.akc.org/content/entertain...long-sentence/

    Judge Jill Rangos stacked the sentences for Rush’s multiple convictions, which included killing Rocco; stabbing Rocco’s handler, Officer Phil Lerza; punching officers; and attempting to take an officer’s gun.

    A little more to the story than killing a police dog, wouldn't you say? Stabbing a police officer will get you a reservation at the Gray Bar Hotel.


    http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/man-...ry?id=41645362

    An Ohio man who killed a K-9 officer has been sentenced to 34 years for the incident that resulted in shooting the dog and 11 years for additional crimes.

    Kelontre Barefield, 23, pleaded guilty to both shooting K-9 officer Jethro and four unrelated burglary charges and an aggravated robbery charges, according to the Stark County Clerk of Courts.
    So, let's see...burglary, aggravated robbery, getting into a shootout with police officers. Yeah...you're gonna go to jail for a while.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96229&page=1

    But the sentences are in line with killing a person. And these sentences are not in line with the destruction of property. You steal or destroy something you are not typically going to get 10+ years in prison much less closer to 40. Moreover there are people who have been convicted of murder who have gotten sentences less than 40 years.
    You seem to be missing the parts of the stories where all the offenders you cited were convicted of various other crimes against persons and property.
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    I'm not big on animals. Though I understand why people are attached to them. I work downtown and see dogs all day long. Don't normally mind them as long as the owner picks up after them, my only gripe is I wish they wouldn't let them piss on street light bases, switch cabinets, per boxes, or anything else I have to work on.
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    What about bicyclists who bring their dogs on rides, and then go into the store for snacks with the dog, while wearing a spandex jersey that says "Glocks suck", and open carrying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    What about bicyclists?
    You could've just left it at that. They're more annoying than any dog in the history of dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    You seem to be missing the parts of the stories where all the offenders you cited were convicted of various other crimes against persons and property.
    34 of the 45 year sentence was for killing the dog.

    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/0...uty-get-fired/

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    In 2014, a South Carolina man fleeing from police after committing an armed robbery was attacked by a police dog. The man shot the dog several times. When he was eventually caught, each bullet he fired he fired was considered an attempted murder charge, in addition to the charge of killing the dog. He got 35 years.
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    I bought my Can at Walmart about 8 years ago and complained about $80 per, but they still look new and get the job done. Btw I take my mini doberdoodle everywhere


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    I agree with Burt, my wife would agree with Bailey, I respect my wife's opinion, and she respects mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    My ex's daughter now has 8 cats in her rented condo.
    The condo only allows 2 pets, but she and her new husband claim 3 each as "service" animals.

    ADA has been out of control for a while.
    I wouldnt say ADA is, it's everyone being scared of enforcing it or running afoul of it. For example. Cat's are not valid service animals. Currently only dogs and miniature horses are listed under ADA.

    But by ADA laws only 2 questions you can really ask people. "Is this a service animal required because of a disability" and "What task is the animal trained to perform." Unfortunately there are no guidelines on what acceptable answers are. Good fakers just say it's a seizure dog. The usual idiots never encounter the 2nd question and freeze up before answering therapy animal or some such.

    Under ADA there is no simple "comfort" animal aka an animal that it's mere presence is therapeutic. However gray area as what is recognized is an animal "trained to calm or distract the handler" during like a panic attack or bi-polar sperging out.

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