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    https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/a...sk-gun-owners/

    Recent federal decision in Arizona related to discovering the identity of online posters:

    Imagine this scenario. You get up one morning, make your coffee and check the news. You find that an online feature article in a big, urban newspaper in your state is nothing but a one-sided, ignorant attack on your right to bear arms. In this case the article is focused on attacking a local firearms manufacturer, but it also impugns your Second Amendment rights.


    Okay, that’s not so unusual, but this time you’ve either worked at that company or know someone who does, so you decide to respond with the facts. You go into the comment section below the article and soberly show the journalist where they went wrong.


    Now you feel good about yourself. You’ve spoken up for your freedom and kept your head about it. You used a screen name, so it was an anonymous debate, as is your right. You only hope that your factual response makes the journalist think. But later you hear the Department of Justice (DOJ) is pressuring the newspaper to give them your IP address, because they want to talk to you.

    Can they do this?


    Yes, said a court.


    In a case that could kick out the trusses of online freedom, Judge Diane J. Humetewa of the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona ruled in June that the DOJ can force a private company—say, Facebook, Yelp or a local media company—to give up your identity simply because you expressed an opinion online.


    This ruling occurred after the DOJ obtained a grand jury subpoena to make Glassdoor, an online job-review website, give up the identities of eight people (the DOJ initially wanted 125 peoples’ identities). The DOJ wants these peoples’ internet protocol (IP) addresses, their credit card information and other identifying details so it can identify them, question them and perhaps compel them to testify against a company the DOJ is investigating.


    Glassdoor, a California-based company, quickly appealed the ruling to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which is where it stands at the time of this writing.


    If this ruling stands, this could affect speech across the internet. And politically incorrect groups, such as those who choose to own guns, could be particularly susceptible to any administration that opposes their constitutional rights.


    A state’s district attorney or a U.S. attorney, for example, could use such a newfound power to go on a fishing expedition against citizens or an industry it doesn’t like. It could force gun owners, for example, who use internet pseudonyms while on a gun blog talking about a manufacturer’s trigger system to be unmasked and dragged into a judicial process.


    Let’s say such a person is a gunsmith or works for an outdoor retailer. The spin that could result from them being subpoenaed could cause them to lose their jobs or occupations—as it could do to the eight people the DOJ is trying to force Glassdoor to reveal.


    One thing the NRA has long lobbied against is allowing the government to create databases of gun owners. Such a newfound power for government could easily lead us in that direction. After all, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” includes protecting the privacy of gun owners.


    Brad Serwin, general counsel at Glassdoor, said: “We’d like a precedent set that respects American freedom in today’s world. The government is arguing they should be able to find out someone’s identity as long as it is not acting in ‘bad faith.’ We’re arguing that, legally speaking, the government is required to pass a ‘compelling interest’ test before being given the authority to demand people’s identities from a private company.”


    Fourth Amendment protections don’t block this because the government is going after a private company (a third party) for these people's info, so according to the Supreme Court’s “third-party doctrine” these people have “no reasonable expectation of privacy.” According to this judge, all those pseudonyms we see on social media and in comment sections below articles are no protection if the government wants to know who is speaking anonymously.


    If this sounds like a lot of what-ifs, you’re right. But watching out for our freedom by looking ahead for new pitfalls is part of keeping our right to bear arms intact in this digital age.

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    This is going to be the next big attack on our liberties from the left (its already starting in Europe).

    They want to outlaw anonymity online because they want to be able to punish anyone that engages in "wrongthink".


    There's a damn good reason we have a secret ballot and that secrecy and anonymity needs to extend beyond the ballot box or we will have no liberty.



    Time for all of us to start learning how to use proxies and VPNs
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    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
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    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    This is going to be the next big attack on our liberties from the left (its already starting in Europe).

    They want to outlaw anonymity online because they want to be able to punish anyone that engages in "wrongthink".


    There's a damn good reason we have a secret ballot and that secrecy and anonymity needs to extend beyond the ballot box or we will have no liberty.
    indeed--follows the same thought process of discouraging cash payments, too

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    Thank you PIA VPN service!

    No need to worry when I don't want to.

    Given this, I may just move my whole house to run through the VPN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant H. View Post
    Thank you PIA VPN service!
    Wow, its only $39.95/yr
    https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/buy-vpn/
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
    -Penn Jillette

    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    I bet the .gov knows more about me than I do. 3rd generation Air Force, I have had a military ID card for 48 years. Last I heard they watch me by satellite. Eisenhower was right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant H. View Post
    Thank you PIA VPN service!

    No need to worry when I don't want to.

    Given this, I may just move my whole house to run through the VPN.
    It even runs on phones, tablets, routers, etc...
    Does seem to have issues with craigslist's auto ip blocking sometimes, tho...

    It slows down connection and increases latency, so not sure I'd use it for whole house... easy enuff to try, I guess
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    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ, we are the III%, CIP2, and some other catchphrase meant to aggravate progreSSives who are hell bent on taking rights away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Yep, it's a pretty good deal!

    Quote Originally Posted by 68Charger View Post
    It even runs on phones, tablets, routers, etc...
    Does seem to have issues with craigslist's auto ip blocking sometimes, tho...

    It slows down connection and increases latency, so not sure I'd use it for whole house... easy enuff to try, I guess
    Yeah, we'll have to see. It's easy to do with my router. Hasn't made a huge difference in the speeds of downloads on my linux box.

    Latency isn't a huge deal to me, as I don't game much anymore.
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    Just a quick word of caution and advance notice to all of our members about using proxies/VPN's to access the site:

    Many of the IP addresses used by these organizations are overseas and even using secure tunnels can get hacked. Additionally, many overseas IP's and even lots of CONUS IP's (particularly those used by proxies/VPN services) have been blocked by our site due to spam activity through those IP's onto COAR15. For the first 5 months of 2017 alone I was blocking an average of more than a million IP's each WEEK (Actually, closed to 2 million. Yeah, the spammers kept me very busy). This has temporarily been essentially halted due to changes made by the staff that I won't disclose for securities sake.

    If you choose to use a proxy/VPN to access the site and receive a message that "your IP address has been blocked", don't reach out to the staff asking why YOU are being blocked as it isn't about you. Also, don't expect us to open the IP address up so you can get into the site because it won't happen. Overall site safety and security is more important than your decision to use an anonymous means to access the site. The exception here is that we will occasionally unblock an IP address/subnet if you are travelling and find yourself blocked. This is done on a case-by-case basis after the risk is considered - and only if you inform us when you're leaving that location so we can re-block the IP/subnet. [Note: We've done this about 1/2 dozen times after members used the "Contact Us" email link.]

    I figured you needed this information to make an informed decision about using proxies/VPN's. Now, go forth and conquer.
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    Between this and the ever raging war on net neutrality, the interwebz is in pretty serious trouble.
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