Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
Question is, depending on how the policy is rewritten, can people use it as an excuse not to get discharged.

IE, "Your not discharging me because I accidentally shot a 2nd LT in the back, your just doing it because I'm gay!"

"Your not discharging me because I refuse to walk more than 1mph without an assistant bringing cold vitamin enriched water with me, your just discharging me because I'm gay!".

IMO - the don't ask don't tell could use some adjustment, but it wasn't intended to keep gays out of the military. It does keep "gay" from being an excuse for anything.

Not bashing, and not disagreeing really. Most gays in the military have no problems, and already serve with honor. And if only 672/tens to hundred thousand+ got discharged last year, the vast majority stay in the military and have long careers.

The problems you seek to fix can very well open up new doors. If the policy is written in such a way that you can challenge a discharge or sue on the premise of being gay, you just created a bigger problem then you did a solution. How many straight guys would switch sides just for that

Would you have said the same statements above if you had served with the theatrical, shirt tied in knot, can't eat meat from MRE's so have to have everyone bring fresh fruit for him, refuses to shoot at the enemy, won't carry 80 pounds of gear homosexual - and your CO can't discharge him because "well, he's gay, captain" to speak nothing of his quality and skill as a soldier?

For the record, I have zero problems with homosexuals. They can do what they want. I do have problems with people that are "protected" from any action because of something completely unrelated.
True, but these issues get ringed out in the wash. We have the same issues with women in the military, women in combat, women as pilots, women in military academies.... If you look at the media frenzied cases over the years concerning women being inappropriately kicked out or prosecuted or whatever, very few of the claims or wrong-doing have been true. Best example is the female B-52 pilot up in Grand Forks that got prosecuted and the following crap storm from the media about how she was being persecuted for being a female pilot... Lol, I've actually seen the criminal case on her... She got off easy. If she would have been a man, it wouldn't have made the news but she would have gone to Leavenworth. I've also seen the cases from the USAF Academy and the whole rape scandal crap... No comment is all I can say.

Same thing... We/the military can survive these allegations of impropriety and subsequent media spins. We cannot continue to openly persecute in the name of "what's right" at a governmental level. This is obviously at a much smaller scale, but the last time we tried this it was pretty catastrophic and ended in civil war. Nothing good ever comes from this type of philosophical disregard.