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    Now, now...it's an "enhancement", not an upgrade. Enhancement.
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    From reading Andrew Twohy post, it looks like the trigger just needs to be lighter in weight. Should be easy to address and a minor hiccup to what appears to be a pretty good gun.
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    Looks like the best thing you can do is go with an Apex trigger.
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    There are a lot of things about Sig's that I really like and a few things I don't.

    I saw the video in post #4 before this thread was started and didn't find it unreasonable to be concerned with the P320 landing in the necessary orientation required to cause the unintended discharge.

    I'm bothered by Sig's initial reluctance to address a serious potentially deadly issue with the P320. To say that they met/exceeded all standards is the same as Flint, MI saying "I know the water is aweful, but it meets all standards" or auto manufacturers saying "Our vehicle has passed all of our safety tests and exceeds all U.S. Government safety requirements...the fact that a dozen people have died when the car spontaneously combusted is just a fluke and is likely caused by consumer aftermarket modifications.".

    Even if you passed every required test doesn't mean something is safe. If someone else finds a "rare" situation that could cause a firearm to discharge without operator intention then there is an issue that needs to be fixed.

    I'm guessing that someone in Sig's legal dept. told them that if even 1 person dies due to this problem they could be liable for millions since they knew of the potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spqrzilla View Post
    From reading Andrew Twohy post, it looks like the trigger just needs to be lighter in weight. Should be easy to address and a minor hiccup to what appears to be a pretty good gun.
    Soldier Systems has the skinny if you want to read.

    http://soldiersystems.net/2017/08/08...-p320-upgrade/

    In short," Although SIG was already working toward introducing the MHS-inspired Enhanced Trigger to the P320, this -30deg drop issue has hastened their effort. They have lightened the Trigger, Striker and Sear by about 30% overall and added a Disconnect (commercial only, not MHS). The trigger pull weight is unaffected, but rather the trigger part actually weighs less. The reason they lightened those parts is to mitigate the momentum gained by the heavier parts during a drop.

    Taylor laid it out, “There is a vulnerability with the P320 at the -30deg drop.” They plan to incorporate the trigger enhancements for the M17 into the P320. They’d been working on them, but implementation wasn’t imminent. Based on what they’ve found, that has been accelerated. Details on their voluntary upgrade program will follow soon. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by spqrzilla View Post
    From reading Andrew Twohy post, it looks like the trigger just needs to be lighter in weight. Should be easy to address and a minor hiccup to what appears to be a pretty good gun.
    Soldier Systems has the skinny if you want to read.

    http://soldiersystems.net/2017/08/08...-p320-upgrade/

    In short," Although SIG was already working toward introducing the MHS-inspired Enhanced Trigger to the P320, this -30deg drop issue has hastened their effort. They have lightened the Trigger, Striker and Sear by about 30% overall and added a Disconnect (commercial only, not MHS). The trigger pull weight is unaffected, but rather the trigger part actually weighs less. The reason they lightened those parts is to mitigate the momentum gained by the heavier parts during a drop.

    Taylor laid it out, “There is a vulnerability with the P320 at the -30deg drop.” They plan to incorporate the trigger enhancements for the M17 into the P320. They’d been working on them, but implementation wasn’t imminent. Based on what they’ve found, that has been accelerated. Details on their voluntary upgrade program will follow soon. "

    "My take is that despite building their pistols to industry standards, SIG has acknowledged the issue and is taking steps to fix it. They didn’t waste any time. They’ve stopped commercial production of the P320 and are concentrating on the upgrade. It’s going to be more than just swapping parts. The slide and frame will need some work as well so the pistol will need to go back to SIG. Details will soon follow on how to participate in the voluntary upgrade program."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Looks like the best thing you can do is go with an Apex trigger.
    Ordered one yesterday. Will see, but I don't plan on drop testing it.

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    At least one person has been injured by this flaw (and has filed a lawsuit against Sig) so I think Sig is taking this seriously. A police officer was shot in the knee when he dropped his holstered P320.

    Hell, instead of just issuing a press release, they actually brought a bunch of gun writers out to their factory yesterday to discuss this. The CEO spoke to the writers of blogs like Solider Systems Daily and The Truth About Guns in person.

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    There may be e a flood of cheap P320's on the market soon due to this issue....... +1 for the guys looking for a deal on a blaster.

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    *waiting patiently for massive clearance sales coupled with $100 manufacturer's rebate*
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