Sig P320 fires during drop safety test

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Taylor laid it out, “There is a vulnerability with the P320 at the -30deg drop.” They plan to incorporate the trigger enhancements for the M17 into the P320. They’d been working on them, but implementation wasn’t imminent. Based on what they’ve found, that has been accelerated. Details on their voluntary upgrade program will follow soon. "

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And here you find a key piece of info that nearly everyone is ignoring... The trigger system submitted for MHS/XM17 is different from the commercial P320.

Anyone paying attention should have expected that as the XM17 has a safety so changes to the FCU were required to even submit for MHS.

Which brings up more questions... Why are people drop testing commercial P320s and assuming the safety issue is the same for the M17? Anyone drop test the M17 with a safety? On/off? How does that compare to the M9 (safety on/off, DA/SA)? M1911/A1? P226/M11 (DA/SA)?

I talked to someone once who swore his P226 nearly "killed him" when it fell off his nightstand. I love the P226 so I asked how this could have happened. Well he had it in SA (condition 0). What level of safety should a reasonable person expect in that case? Should the SEALs have ditched the P226 because of that?

Side note: I have never once in my life dropped a firearm. For a period of my life doing so would have earned me a much deserved ass kicking. I fell down some stairs once with a P226 in my hand. Didn't drop it. Finger off the trigger "rode" the stairs down on my ass/back. Other than bruises, fine. Outside of a combat/LE "hands on" situation I don't understand people dropping firearms.

"I was going to my vehicle and I dropped my weapon." Sorry to hear that officer, here's your last check and COBRA info.

And before you hate, ask what would happen if you AD/ND in your home.

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At least the memes coming out of this are good...

[hurley842002]

Outside of a combat/LE "hands on" situation I don't understand people dropping firearms.

Not everyone is mistake/accident free like you? I don't know, that's all I got.

Why do people get in car accidents? My 4,400lbs Xterra is more dangerous than any handgun. Perhaps I should reevaluate my gun ownership and gun carrying practice until I become accident free like yourself.

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[.455_Hunter]

Just curious questions here...

Would fully cocked "normal" DA/SA guns like the 92, P226 or 5906 before able to fire in this fashion?

Looking at my above handguns this morning, I don't see how the trigger itself would be able to overcome the slack and spring resistance to overcome the sear release and firing pin safety, but one could have assumed the same about the P320 or the original SR9.

[Joe_K]

Now there's evidence of a bigger design flaw. The P320 can fire if a tap is given to the back of the slide.

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[sellersm]

Now there's evidence of a bigger design flaw. The P320 can fire if a tap is given to the back of the slide.

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If this is indeed the case, it confirms what I was wondering. I was thinking that perhaps it was firing when dropped, *not* because of trigger movement but because of something in the slide/firing pin mechanism. But I'm not an engineer, just a software jockey... I haven't even slept in a Holiday Inn recently...


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Not everyone is mistake/accident free like you? I don't know, that's all I got.

Why do people get in car accidents? My 4,400lbs Xterra is more dangerous than any handgun. Perhaps I should reevaluate my gun ownership and gun carrying practice until I become accident free like yourself.

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If you're accident prone, maybe you should.

The car analogy is cute but auto accidents are often the result of external factors. A person handling a weapon (outside of high stress) has no external factors to blame. Only himself. Or gravity. But the officer can't sue gravity.

ETA: I've taken no less than a dozen brand new shooters to the range over the years. Some family, friends or friends of friends. In a family shoot we'll have no less than 4-6 shooters sometimes sharing weapons.

Number of dropped firearms in my presence during this time: 0

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Now there's evidence of a bigger design flaw. The P320 can fire if a tap is given to the back of the slide.

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By "tap," do you mean the gentleman on youtube that struck his with a (plastic) hammer?

I believe that's still the same inertia.

I don't believe the recent TFB video was the first to show this, but I can't find the other one at the moment - the guy's tags sucked and I didn't save the link.

[Joe_K]

By "tap," do you mean the gentleman on youtube that struck his with a (plastic) hammer?

I believe that's still the same inertia.

I don't believe the recent TFB video was the first to show this, but I can't find the other one at the moment - the guy's tags sucked and I didn't save the link.

Yes.

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[DenverGP]

I've seen at least one of the drop videos where you could see the trigger actually moving backwards on impact.