The Glock Fanboys at TFB get their hands on the new Gen 5

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Always thought the finger grooves were fine too.

[Fmedges]

Yuck. Had a G19 for a bit and just couldn't get into it. I added some things to it, but it still didn't point or shoot very well for me at all. Pretty much the only thing I liked about it was the ease at which the whole thing came apart.

[Gunner]

Centennial had at least a dozen of em for sale. $659. $710 OTD, as I recall. Too rich for my blood.

Of course they did. I wish that place would dry up and die.

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[Not_A_Llama]

You have to feel a bit for Glock, in all this. If they make a change, people complain "what about perfection". If they don't make a change, "they're selling the same tupperware from the 80s".

Finger grips I think are the most visible example. I don't care about them, but lords almighty, did people complain vocally about them. They take them away, and people complain about the deletion. I think it was a sound business decision, because there were more and louder detractors of the grips than diehard fans.

Engineering on a legacy platform is a real bitch. You have to carefully balance interoperability constraints against the need to innovate, and to be able to do both is an expression of incredible talent.

They found a way to make the gun more accurate (4 inches at 25 yards -> 4 inches at 50 yards) and more reliable (11k rounds MRBF; the highest ever tested at the FBI). The cost was a reduction in parts compatibility. I should be as upset as anyone, with multiple copies of multiple generations, but I find myself frankly a little uncaring. Magazines are still interoperable. The only thing I switch out in my guns is sights and maaaybe a disconnector. Things don't generally break, so I'm not really cannibalizing guns at this point, either.

Side note: Standing in line at CGC, I find myself between alienated and homicidal. Who gives a shit how it feels in your hand; it's a gun, not your dick. No matter the platform, you need to run serious rounds through to know what the hell you're doing. Shoot 10k rounds through any gun, and you'll get decent. Key is to find a gun that will take 10k without being half clapped-out by that point.

[hurley842002]

You have to feel a bit for Glock, in all this. If they make a change, people complain "what about perfection". If they don't make a change, "they're selling the same tupperware from the 80s".

Finger grips I think are the most visible example. I don't care about them, but lords almighty, did people complain vocally about them. They take them away, and people complain about the deletion. I think it was a sound business decision, because there were more and louder detractors of the grips than diehard fans.

Engineering on a legacy platform is a real bitch. You have to carefully balance interoperability constraints against the need to innovate, and to be able to do both is an expression of incredible talent.

They found a way to make the gun more accurate (4 inches at 25 yards -> 4 inches at 50 yards) and more reliable (11k rounds MRBF; the highest ever tested at the FBI). The cost was a reduction in parts compatibility. I should be as upset as anyone, with multiple copies of multiple generations, but I find myself frankly a little uncaring. Magazines are still interoperable. The only thing I switch out in my guns is sights and maaaybe a disconnector. Things don't generally break, so I'm not really cannibalizing guns at this point, either.

Side note: Standing in line at CGC, I find myself between alienated and homicidal. Who gives a shit how it feels in your hand; it's a gun, not your dick. No matter the platform, you need to run serious rounds through to know what the hell you're doing. Shoot 10k rounds through any gun, and you'll get decent. Key is to find a gun that will take 10k without being half clapped-out by that point.

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[Gman]

Side note: Standing in line at CGC, I find myself between alienated and homicidal. Who gives a shit how it feels in your hand; it's a gun, not your dick. No matter the platform, you need to run serious rounds through to know what the hell you're doing. Shoot 10k rounds through any gun, and you'll get decent. Key is to find a gun that will take 10k without being half clapped-out by that point.

I've found that most quality guns will easily run 10k rounds through them. If the gun doesn't fit my hand to where the pistol moves when the trigger breaks, I won't be able to shoot it well from round 1 thru 10k. There are certain makes and models that don't end up on my short list for that reason. For example, the XDs and S&W Shield are too narrow and don't anchor well in my strong hand. The classic Walther PPS does.

I have a Gen 3 G19, and the slide rubs the web of my thumb. I found the Walther PPQ doesn't, is pretty much the same size as the G19, and has a great trigger. The only Glock that I've found works for me is the oddball G36. Not all anatomy comes out of a single template and platform does matter.

[Great-Kazoo]

For example, the XDs and S&W Shield are too narrow and don't anchor well in my strong hand. The classic Walther PPS does.

I road tested a 43 yesterday, wondering of the single stack, sub compact profile wouldn't work. 50 rds later oddly enough i'm sold on it. While the Shield between fit and upgrading to an Apex trigger does not.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Interesting to hear some folks don't like a Shield. Yeah it's thin and small, but it's made for conceal, and I have rather large hands and have no problem with that weapon.

I like my glocks and full frame M&P stuff, but I really do like my Shield for CC.

[Fmedges]

I own a shield and I felt that it was also too thin for my hands. I don't have big man bear paw hands or anything, but it still didn't feel right. About a week ago I bought a houge grip for it and feels much better. It is still uncomfortable to shoot a whole lot of rounds through, but I don't feel as if it's jumping around in my hands as I fire it anymore.

[ben4372]

Feels like I just bought my g19 gen 4. Haven't shot it yet. Are they quickening the introduction of new versions? And as for the S&W Shield. The best tiny pistol I've ever owned. Bought it used from a member here. I like it enough that I'm on the look out for a M&P 2.0. I haven'y even considered an S&W semi auto since the 3rd gens. But they have really made a great product at a bargain price. Not to mention the made in USA part of the equation.