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    NRA is playing the best game they can after being dealt a terrible hand.

    Asking ATF for a review of the regs is probably the smartest move they can make at this point.

    1.) It will take time for the ATF to conduct a review, which will hopefully give all involved parties time to cool down.

    2.) For once, the fact that federal regulators aren't beholden to voters is probably a good thing. The politicians are going to do whatever their constituents/lobbyists/the media demand, meanwhile the ATF is beholden to their own regulatory requirements.

    3.) What the ATF can potentially do is much more limited than what congress can do. Congress can pass a law mandating nearly anything, and even if it's a straight up constitutional violation getting it changed or repealed would take millions of dollars and decades of lawsuits.

    4.) Since ATF is limited, the best they can probably do is to reclassify bump stocks as an NFA item so anyone who wants one will have to pay a $200 transfer tax. A $200 tax on a niche item no one really wants is a small price to pay after this particular cluster of a situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    NRA is playing the best game they can after being dealt a terrible hand.
    Sorry, I just can't bring myself to agree with this perspective, unless we remember a line from a Sean Connery movie I saw a while back:

    "Their best? Losers always whine about doing their best...Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"


    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    Asking ATF for a review of the regs is probably the smartest move they can make at this point.

    They didn't just ask for a review. They asked for a review while in the same breath indicating a shared view that MORE REGULATION WAS LIKELY NEEDED. They basically got down on their knees and asked for it to be gentle...

    For all those claiming that the NRA was just "strategerizing" here, please recognize that taking the approach they did was the very essence of weakness, and the media/pols are having a field day with the NRA's preemptive capitulation (for which we can almost assuredly expect nothing positive in return).


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    Quote Originally Posted by DireWolf View Post
    They didn't just ask for a review. They asked for a review while in the same breath indicating a shared view that MORE REGULATION WAS LIKELY NEEDED. They basically got down on their knees and asked for it to be gentle...

    For all those claiming that the NRA was just "strategerizing" here, please recognize that taking the approach they did was the very essence of weakness, and the media/pols are having a field day with the NRA's preemptive capitulation (for which we can almost assuredly expect nothing positive in return).
    You're adding context to what the NRA's statement actually said. They didn't state that extra regulations may be needed for bump-stocks. They said that anything that can make a semi-auto a full-auto may need regulation. Bump-stocks were not regulated as making a weapon operate like a full-auto in the first place. Your finger pulls the trigger and a single pull of the trigger fires a single shot.
    Last edited by Gman; 10-07-2017 at 17:05.
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