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[Gman]

NRA (hypothetical) revised statement/position:

"After much reflection on this topic and input from our millions of constituents & law abiding gun owners, in the spirit of compromise we would be willing to entertain the idea of reclassifying bump-stock devices (explicitly) as NFA items as long as that change is simultaneously enacted alongside a full reversal of ATF 41p and immediate reinstatement of the Form-1 E-File system, with a review time not to exceed 90 days pending a 3 month "sunrise" period to allow for any required personnel/process updates."

...and the public would say, "WTF does that mean?"

[DireWolf]

...and the public would say, "WTF does that mean?"

Yeah, probably still needs a bit of work...But I think the general concept is sound.

You may have hit on one huge problem with compromise in general - much easier to scream "ban everything! Bump-stocks evil!", than is to propose a real compromise involving actual details...

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[Bailey Guns]

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I don't see anyone in a panic. I see people concerned that, once again thru no fault of their own, they are likely to seeing another attack on a Constitutional right that has seen decades of attack by the stupid and uninformed. Attacks that do nothing to solve a problem that in all reality likely can't be solved.

[Grant H.]

It's been very enlightening seeing the "die-hard" believers come out of the woodwork. The NRA continues to erode our constitutional rights, slowly, and asks the people they claim to defend to pay for it.

The NRA is a multi-million dollar operation that ceases to have a purpose if gun control goes away... They aren't dumb, they are acutely aware that if they succeed, they get less money...

And many here want me to believe that they want to succeed???

Good luck.

[Gman]

Good luck.

If the police were successful eliminating crime we wouldn't need police, so therefore the police want crime, right? After all, they want a paycheck.

I wish you luck with success on your one man campaign to keep our rights.

[DireWolf]

The NRA is an organization with the strength of numbers but a severe dearth of leadership.

Fix the one to properly leverage the other, and the result may be remarkable.




ETA: Without a complete replacement/overhaul in both leadership and strategy, I agree with the sentiment that the NRA is worse than useless and we're far better off without them (nature abhors a vacuum, and something else can take their place if unwilling/unable to undertake the necessary changes)

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[Gman]

Your police department analogy is a very poor one. It is impossible to eliminate crime. Yet, it is possible to end the "gun control" fight.

A better analogy is the gov't. When a department of our gov't becomes redundant, too large, or unnecessary, surely all the people working within it will say "time to go guys" and join the unemployment line, right?

I disagree with your disagreement. It's also human nature to give up freedom for perceived safety. This is why we are where we are.

You can make the same arguments for anyone that gives to pretty much any 'non-profit' organization. Does Susan G. Komen want to eliminate the cause that profits so many? Does anyone really believe that we can eliminate poverty?

We are one man campaigns when we vote. Outside of that, our politicians don't listen to individuals. We don't like it, but that's how it is. If you can think of a better lobby for our interests, please share.

[Justin]

In this particular scenario, that's easy. My approach would be: Bump stocks are legal. They were approved under the Obama administration. Nothing has changed concerning bump stocks with the exception a madman used one in a murderous spree while already violating numerous laws. We are willing to discuss additional regulations on bump stocks once the Hearing Protection Act is passed (or pick a project).

As it is they are giving away the store while asking for nothing. I don't mind some compromise on occasion and I think this is a perfect time to get what we want while potentially giving up something that won't affect a lot of people.

If you want $18,000 for your car, ask for $20,000 knowing the offer will be $15,000. Compromise on the $18,000 you wanted.

NRA leadership must be learning their "strategy" from republican leadership in the house and senate. Which is basically asking the democrats exactly where they want their asses kissed.

Yeah, but that doesn't tell me how you plan to get to majority votes against a ban in either the House or Senate, which is what matters.

[Zundfolge]

I don't know who's worse. The "true believers" that refuse to criticize the NRA when they're wrong, or the knee-jerk NRA bashers that act like the NRA is as bad as Brady or something (no, I know the answer).

In this case, I think the NRA is trying to direct some sort of inevitable action against bump stocks into a less damaging direction ... I think they jumped on this bandwagon a bit too soon, but if it does ultimately come down to us having a choice only between legislation or an ATF ruling, the ATF ruling is far and away the better of two bad options. If there still exists a third option of doing nothing, that would of course be better but that may not be a possible choice (of course had the NRA remained silent that choice might be more viable).

[Justin]

Option 3 is to make bump stocks a hill to die on, claim you will make no concessions, and then get butt hurt later as legislation is passed that not only bans bump stocks, but also anything else that the graboids can shove into a hasty bill that gets pushed through before anyone with any influence can try to push for a more rational approach.