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I personally embrace the leftists misuse of the term Assault Weapons. Who cares what they're called.

I personally care because it's a compromise we already made. We gave up the right to own "assault weapons" and can now only own semi-automatic rifles (outside of NFA, of course). Their language is intentionally deceptive.

The hyperbole of "machine guns bought on the internet" is driving gun control. We know that isn't true but when we push back we seem unreasonable when in fact we've already been "reasonable" and given them up. Why does anyone need that? A question asked only after they have changed the definition of that.

One thing the Left is really good at is setting the parameters for a discussion. Their parameters insure our loss.

Roe was raped
You didn't build that
Healthcare is a human right
"White" people are problematic
ETA: (I forgot the best one) High capacity magazine (used to ban standard caps)

(just a few, there's more)


We have to change this by telling the truth, and Libs hate truth tellers.

What's at stake are semi-automatic rifles because, as you point out, that is what can be brought to bear against the bad people when they get sporty. That's why they want them and lie about "gun violence" which is concentrated in their urban utopias (never discussed). They know they are those bad people (they admire, study, and quote the dead bad people) and there is no debate because when the time comes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

If the NFA was not a thing and obtaining a legal machine gun was as simple as telling the guy working the counter at the LGS, "Nope, not that Rifle, the one next to it marked $789" I’m not certain I would opt for a full autumatic on any of my defensive carbines. Would any of you?

Nor would I feel outgunned facing a similarly trained and dedicated opponent armed with the fully automatic version of my long gun. I honestly got more nervous in firefights hearing one shot snapping past me then the racket of a burst of RPK or AK fire, I would assume that guy also knew what I did, that semi auto works at all ranges, full auto only at close ranges, or in an area fire situation. (Belt feds are a different story, and obviously the Vegas Terrorist Attack is in a category of its own due to the target density and the fact that no one was shooting back).

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Agree 100%. Rifleman for life! One shot and all that.

My A2 is still my favorite rifle to shoot even though it has become less practical for lack of modern optics.

If I did go FA, it would be a toy too expensive (ammo) for me to take out. I got my giggles out on Uncle Sam's dime.

[CS1983]

I personally embrace the leftists misuse of the term Assault Weapons. Who cares what they're called.
My BCM M4-gery is no different than the Colt M4 I carried in the Marines aside from the fact I have chosen my own accessories based on my individual needs and the fact that the selector does not swing back to Automatic. Guess how many times I used Auto on my M4? 12x30 round mags. All in training stateside.

Let the socialists call them whatever they want, those of us who know the difference and care will still know, and the fence sitting hand pissers are too stupid to care or look it up on Wiki, while the truly dedicated communist disarmament advocates would just as soon label a muzzle loader or crossbow as an Assault Weapon as our AR15's.

All of them are great at stacking commies for mommy, ganbangers to the morgue, and jihad jerry to his eternal reward.

If the NFA was not a thing and obtaining a legal machine gun was as simple as telling the guy working the counter at the LGS, "Nope, not that Rifle, the one next to it marked $789" I’m not certain I would opt for a full autumatic on any of my defensive carbines. Would any of you?

Nor would I feel outgunned facing a similarly trained and dedicated opponent armed with the fully automatic version of my long gun. I honestly got more nervous in firefights hearing one shot snapping past me then the racket of a burst of RPK or AK fire, I would assume that guy also knew what I did, that semi auto works at all ranges, full auto only at close ranges, or in an area fire situation. (Belt feds are a different story, and obviously the Vegas Terrorist Attack is in a category of its own due to the target density and the fact that no one was shooting back).



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Whomever controls the language controls the argument, and thus controls the outcome.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...950/jun/20.htm

Gay Marriage (not marriage)
Love (not love, but fickle emotion)
Planned Parenthood (come murder your child)
People's movement (led by elites)
Everyone has healthcare! (everyone is beholden to a Ponzi scheme and has less money, with no proof of an actual increase in care)
Social Security (another Ponzi scheme which doesn't provide financial security)
Gun control (people control)
Separation of Church and State (the State superseding ad subjugating the Church, rather than the State being informed by the Church through the [religious/moral] people as was the original intent)
Federal Reserve (Private, not Federal)
Antisemitism (ignoring the Semitic reality of most actual Semites in favor of an agenda, whether or not that agenda is otherwise acceptable)
Homophobia (not agreeing with an agenda)
Racism (not wearing sackcloth and ashes over the crime of being white)
etc.

OK, so say you don't care that the libs want to ban Assault Weapons so called. Assault Weapon is simply a variable for whatever they want: $AssaultWeapon = *

It doesn't matter if you wouldn't want an automatic weapon because those are strawmen. They want the thing you have despite calling it by an incorrect name.

As they continue to move the goalposts, whether or not you'd desire the thing on X yardline is immaterial and is the substantial nature of the Fudd argument.

An argument could be made for a whole bunch of effective snipers w/ hunting rifles, but I sure as heck don't consider that a good primary.

From a mechanical perspective, your BCM is really no different from an M1A at a basic level. An M1A looks less "scary" because it doesn't have an evil hand grip. It's just a semi-auto version of the M14. Mechanically, the M1A and BCM fire 1 round per trigger pull whereas their .mil counterparts have a selective fire option. Once you enter aesthetics as the defining factor of similarity, well, you might as well call Bruce Jenner "Caitlin".

Sorry, but I won't call a dude in a dress a chick and I won't agree that the M4 and an aesthetically similar semi-auto rifle are remotely the same. Once you do that, you let the left win the argument because you let them control the argument through language.

[TFOGGER]

I think I can speak for many of us when I wish Feinstein would go suck start a propane tank with a lit sparkler in each hand...

[BushMasterBoy]

Her state is on fire and fifteen have died. She needs to concentrate on that.

Correction, make that 21 dead from fire.

Now it is 31 dead.

[BlasterBob]

Fineswine should suggest a new law that will prevent wildfires especially those caused by lightning.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I think I can speak for many of us when I wish Feinstein would go suck start a propane tank with a lit sparkler in each hand...

I really like the visual on this.

[Ronin13]

Yeah well a lawman with a rifle could have stopped the shooter, but nobody returned fire. And the senator is getting crazier with age. What is new ?

Not entirely accurate... Literally. I seriously doubt even an experienced marksman with a AR platform patrol rifle, even with a decent close quarters optic (which is what most have if they opt for an optic) wouldn't attempt a shot at 400M+ at a building, with several factors for errant shots going into another room. How do you even return fire on a 32nd floor window from the ground being that you're responsible for every round?

I personally embrace the leftists misuse of the term Assault Weapons. Who cares what they're called.
My BCM M4-gery is no different than the Colt M4 I carried in the Marines aside from the fact I have chosen my own accessories based on my individual needs and the fact that the selector does not swing back to Automatic. Guess how many times I used Auto on my M4? 12x30 round mags. All in training stateside.

Let the socialists call them whatever they want, those of us who know the difference and care will still know, and the fence sitting hand pissers are too stupid to care or look it up on Wiki, while the truly dedicated communist disarmament advocates would just as soon label a muzzle loader or crossbow as an Assault Weapon as our AR15's.

All of them are great at stacking commies for mommy, ganbangers to the morgue, and jihad jerry to his eternal reward.

If the NFA was not a thing and obtaining a legal machine gun was as simple as telling the guy working the counter at the LGS, "Nope, not that Rifle, the one next to it marked $789" I’m not certain I would opt for a full autumatic on any of my defensive carbines. Would any of you?

Nor would I feel outgunned facing a similarly trained and dedicated opponent armed with the fully automatic version of my long gun. I honestly got more nervous in firefights hearing one shot snapping past me then the racket of a burst of RPK or AK fire, I would assume that guy also knew what I did, that semi auto works at all ranges, full auto only at close ranges, or in an area fire situation. (Belt feds are a different story, and obviously the Vegas Terrorist Attack is in a category of its own due to the target density and the fact that no one was shooting back).



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THIS!
I wasn't combat arms, but worked with several, and most stuck with single fire because of the accuracy. Even special operations stick to semi-auto because they all know it's more accurate. While it's fun to shoot full auto, the practical use of it is very minimal. If anything, you're better off, defensively, sticking with semi-auto and using controlled follow-on rounds to eliminate the threat.

[Gman]

I wasn't combat arms, but worked with several, and most stuck with single fire because of the accuracy. Even special operations stick to semi-auto because they all know it's more accurate. While it's fun to shoot full auto, the practical use of it is very minimal. If anything, you're better off, defensively, sticking with semi-auto and using controlled follow-on rounds to eliminate the threat.

I don't think anyone was arguing that full-auto was a tactical advantage. I think the concern is that the anti-gun libs are blurring the line between what is a machine gun and a semi-auto rifle for the low information voters. If you've taken away my ability to own one, don't accuse me of already having one.

I've shot other guys full-auto rifles, and they have put a smile on my face. I've also used a bump-stock, and it put a smile on my face. Then reality sets in as to how much money in ammo I just threw away. I'd rather hit my target with each round fired. This can happen when you've learned to shoot with a single-shot bolt-action .22 rifle.

[Ronin13]

I think the concern is that the anti-gun libs are blurring the line between what is a machine gun and a semi-auto rifle for the low information voters. If you've taken away my ability to own one, don't accuse me of already having one.

Or how about the fact that they want to take away a certain type of firearm because "It looks very similar"? Many rifles I own look like things you can assemble/employ in the latest modern military FPS. But certainly aren't the same. I agree, the low info voters are using the media, politicians and anti-gunners as reputable sources for accurate information on guns. Just saw a news report of a guy shooting a watermelon with what looked to be a Remington 870 12GA shotgun, and the reporter said "Here we see a man shooting a watermelon with an AR-15." This is seriously what we're up against. How are we losing this fight?

[CS1983]

Or how about the fact that they want to take away a certain type of firearm because "It looks very similar"? Many rifles I own look like things you can assemble/employ in the latest modern military FPS. But certainly aren't the same. I agree, the low info voters are using the media, politicians and anti-gunners as reputable sources for accurate information on guns. Just saw a news report of a guy shooting a watermelon with what looked to be a Remington 870 12GA shotgun, and the reporter said "Here we see a man shooting a watermelon with an AR-15." This is seriously what we're up against. How are we losing this fight?

1) Because the mechanisms for information dissemination on a mass level are run by people and organizations with a pre-set agenda which doesn't include the truth.

2) Because Americans have been conditioned to have a 30 second attention span with a reactionary result.

3) Because, frankly, most Americans do not care about the truth or paying attention beyond second 31.

4) Because we operate under the absurd notion that truth matters, whereas our enemy operates under the notion that the message being hammered home is what matters, whether true or not: we have failed to understand how to engage in propagandizing our point of view. (propaganda is not a dirty word, btw). We have failed to reach the folks who aren't in the choir, pursuant to #1