No Girls Allowed.... not anymore

[hollohas]

...the opportunity for boys to be boys and do boy things without the added social pressures of girls. Not anymore.

^This. It's healthy for boys to be boys and do boy things together. Why the frick do we have to keep mixing everything and everyone up? We can't give them ONE hour a week to not worry about girls? Girls and boys get co-ed stuff all day.

All this so-called "equality" nonsense is getting exhausting. Every minute of everyday now has to be 100% ''inclusive".

[Gman]

In seriousness, girl scouts is a hot mess. It will take a serious effort to recraft that into something approaching the BSA, despite how much the BSA has been watered down over the last decade or two. That means vision, drive and a lot of work. Who wants to do that? It is much easier to find a successful organization, claim discrimination, demand entrance and be granted access using the force of law and a governmental agency all the while lowering the bar because, well, those expectations for Eagle are mysoginistic and unreasonable.

Yeah, I asked my SIL that was a GS troop leader about it and she totally understands it. The GS is a total trainwreck led by a bunch of feminazis. Most of the moms that are troop leaders don't want to get outside and do the camping, etc., so they just sit around and do crafts all the time. They wanted to go on an Explorers trip to the NW, and were not allowed to travel on a small plane to do it (GSA forbid the use of a small aircraft). They had to go as a BS troop.

Personally, I think they should allow the guys to be in all male troops and allow boys and girls a choice if they want to be in a co-ed troop.

[TEAMRICO]

I will be honest, as a Scout Master, when the first female attempts to join our Troop I'm out.
I believe more will follow and Troops will collapse. When the money starts going away the BSA will regret it.
It is hard enough to raise young boys to be young men, add girls and you have to cater to them. Camp Outs? Nope. Not even going to put myself in that situation.
That's all I gotta say about that.

[Aloha_Shooter]

This at least was more defensible than the previous change to membership policy allowing in active homosexual adults as unit leaders. I've seen plenty of girls that would have made excellent Boy Scouts. On the other hand, there are situations when I thnik it's appropriate for single-gender activities -- not the least of which is when I'm giving safety instructions. I saw enough boys going for night hikes down to the nearby Girl Scout camp when I was a Scout myself that I know we're not not going to stop nature.

I once thought I would die in a Scout uniform. No more.

[CS1983]

This at least was more defensible than the previous change to membership policy allowing in active homosexual adults as unit leaders. I've seen plenty of girls that would have made excellent Boy Scouts. On the other hand, there are situations when I thnik it's appropriate for single-gender activities -- not the least of which is when I'm giving safety instructions. I saw enough boys going for night hikes down to the nearby Girl Scout camp when I was a Scout myself that I know we're not not going to stop nature.

I once thought I would die in a Scout uniform. No more.

No girl can make a good or even bad Boy Scout, because they aren't a boy. As Ben Shapiro said to an SJW person who challenged him on where it says a girl cannot be in Boy Scouts, he replied, "It's in the name, BOY Scouts."

When girls showed up at a Rally in 1909 (https://www.wagggs.org/en/about-us/our-history/), Lord Baden-Powell decided there should be a separate movement for girls. If Girl Scouts has degenerated and girls want to do something more outdoorsy, then they need to form such an organization or engage with co-ed groups who are more in line with Boy Scouts.

Want to shoot? Fine, go to Appleseed.
Want to camp? Tell your father to quit being such a pussy and get his ass in the woods
Want to engage in community betterment, then friggin do it.

Disemboweling one of the last vestiges of boys and young men to engage in a male only activity is not the way to do it, just like some little nancy deciding he wants to sell cookies shouldn't be allowed to join the Girl Scouts.

[StagLefty]

This has been in the works for awhile. The Venture section has been coed since it started about 8 years ago,and thats a group program for teens.
I stopped as a leader a few years ago after 20 plus years and I can't believe what has happened to the BSA since then. Unfortunately it's more about money than anything else. Recruitment has dropped significantly in the last decade.

[TheGrey]

From the news story I just saw, there will still be boys-only activities. They're starting with the Cub Scouts age, so hopefully the poisonous little girls wont be able to subvert the boys that easily. In 2019, older girls will be able to join in some of the co-ed activities of the Boy Scouts, which will be marked by the complete downfall of civilization. /sarcasm

Honestly, not EVERY person with XX chromosomes comes with a feminist agenda. Some of these kids are just looking to learn something that the Boy Scouts offer. You really expect that the girls participating in Girl Scouts can undo the clusterf*ck that has grown for years? Really? And some of you are quitting being scout masters because 11-year-old girls may join a troop to learn some of the virtues of scouts? I didn't realize those were boys-only virtues. The one opportunity that may be in that girl's life to learn what the (Boy) Scouts have been training generations of boys, teachng them to be good citizens and conscientous adults may be at hand. This may be the opportunity to show girls that there is a different way of viewing the world, instead of through the eyes of the skewed political agenda of the Girl Scounts.

Reading through this thread is pretty dismaying.

[Hummer]

It's not about letting anyone in/equality/etc., but destroying something with patrimony, history, and tradition.

Yes, but the recent move by the LDS to disengage from the BoyScouts puts the program in danger of extinction. The Mormons have always been a major contributor in manpower and boypower. Bringing girls in is the last chance to save the organization and money is a big part of it.

In seriousness, girl scouts is a hot mess. It will take a serious effort to recraft that into something approaching the BSA, despite how much the BSA has been watered down over the last decade or two. That means vision, drive and a lot of work. Who wants to do that? It is much easier to find a successful organization, claim discrimination, demand entrance and be granted access using the force of law and a governmental agency all the while lowering the bar because, well, those expectations for Eagle are mysoginistic and unreasonable.


The gay thing was over a year ago. Many troops in my area lost their charter organization because of it. LDS didn't jump then, but they were clearly getting uncomfortable. It was the more recent announcement to allow transgenders into BSA that seems to have pushed LDS over the edge and restructure their youth program. LDS is a big part of BSA funding. Big. If adding girls causes the LDS church to dump scouts completely, that will be a big financial hit for BSA National.

Right on all points.

When I was a Boy Scout my mother was a Girl Scout troop leader and because our family had a tradition of camping, she organized camping and hiking trips for the girls every month. I just LOVED going on those camping trips. She (and I) taught about fishing, plants and flowers, wildlife, first aid, outdoor skills.

My wife was in Girl Scouts but her experience was entirely different. She hated it because her leaders never went camping but basically taught home-ec at every gathering. It was all about cooking, cleaning, sewing, crafts, etc.

At the time I went through the program, 4 out of 5 American boys were in Scouting at some point in their lives. Now, Scouting is a small fraction of the youth in our country. No longer are we educating leaders and our nation is far poorer for it.

Hummer
Eagle Scout 1968

[CS1983]

From the news story I just saw, there will still be boys-only activities. They're starting with the Cub Scouts age, so hopefully the poisonous little girls wont be able to subvert the buys that easily. In 2019, older girls will be able to join in some of the co-ed activities of the Boy Scouts, which will be marked by the complete downfall of civilization. /sarcasm

Honestly, not EVERY person with XX chromosomes comes with a feminist agenda. Some of these kids are just looking to learn something that the Boy Scouts offer. You really expect that the girls participating in Girl Scouts can undo the clusterf*ck that has grown for years? Really? And some of you are quitting being scout masters because 11-year-old girls may join a troop to learn some of the virtues of scouts? I didn't realize those were boys-only virtues. The one opportunity that may be in that girl's life to learn what the (Boy) Scouts have been training generations of boys, teachng them to be good citizens and conscientous adults may be at hand. This may be the opportunity to show girls that there is a different way of viewing the world, instead of through the eyes of the skewed political agenda of the Girl Scounts.

Reading through this thread is pretty dismaying.

A straw-man wrapped in a flaky puff pastry of (il)logic with feelings filling. Sounds too caloric for my taste, sweeter than Stevia and without the fat of truth to assist in a long term satiation of cultural appetite.



Do you not see that the proponents of this do not give a shit about improving girls' ability to engage in less fluffy activities? No one here, as far as I can tell, has a problem with a girl learning to shoot, camp, hike, etc.



The problem is that instead of fixing their outlet for such things, or engaging in perfectly acceptable alternatives, they wish to invade into the space for boys-only to do such things. Remind you of anything? California license plates and an uptick of (D) registrants in CO, perhaps -- fleeing the reality of liberal economics and civil law, only to foist them upon their new state?
Muslims fleeing the reality of Islam's effect on the culture, only to demand Islamic culture? Leaving Shitcago to escape the violence, only to demand the same factors which led to that violence? Etc.?

So they screwed up Girl Scouts by effeminacy and reducing the power of feminine strength to a cookie sales joke (effeminacy is the vice contrary to the virtue of fortitude; has nothing to do with the feminine per se), instead of building up girls in feminine virtue. They do this by encroaching upon the BSA, a wretched organization at this point, but still has the facade of pre-Modernist Utopianism/pre-Cultural Marxism, traditional social norms -- as such, it must be destroyed.

Again, this is NOT. NOT. N-O-T: about letting girls do anything. This is about the destruction of something which at least points to the idea of a good, out of pure hatred for the good of a line in the sand and what lays beyond it.

Were it not, they would self-lead and reform the Girl Scouts or start/join an organization which does those things. But they're social leeches, not leaders or potential leaders. So all they can do is suck out the life of virtue and leave their host a rotting corpse.

[DireWolf]

From the news story I just saw, there will still be boys-only activities. They're starting with the Cub Scouts age, so hopefully the poisonous little girls wont be able to subvert the buys that easily. In 2019, older girls will be able to join in some of the co-ed activities of the Boy Scouts, which will be marked by the complete downfall of civilization. /sarcasm

Honestly, not EVERY person with XX chromosomes comes with a feminist agenda. Some of these kids are just looking to learn something that the Boy Scouts offer. You really expect that the girls participating in Girl Scouts can undo the clusterf*ck that has grown for years? Really? And some of you are quitting being scout masters because 11-year-old girls may join a troop to learn some of the virtues of scouts? I didn't realize those were boys-only virtues. The one opportunity that may be in that girl's life to learn what the (Boy) Scouts have been training generations of boys, teachng them to be good citizens and conscientous adults may be at hand. This may be the opportunity to show girls that there is a different way of viewing the world, instead of through the eyes of the skewed political agenda of the Girl Scounts.

Reading through this thread is pretty dismaying.

I think you make some really solid points, but along with some other great points made in-thread, feel that:

1. This situation is stuck in a bit of limbo where there's no optimal solution currently.

2. Both boys and girls would greatly benefit from the development of core life skills & principles which have been discussed, but also do need that gender-specific engagement & focus.

3. Both BSA and GSA have become horribly corrupt and misguided.

4. All things considered, the idea of some level of integration bothers me far less than allowing deviants (and very likely latent if not fully cognizant pedophiles) to lead scouting activities - this is the number one reason I have not even considered any recent involvement in the BSA, even if directly involved as a scout leader (would hate to be involved in or associated with any unfortunate accidents in the wilderness involving said deviants, and the woods can be a dangerous place...)

5. Money and politics is a huge problem in both orgs, and all current issues trace from here..


I think a new scouting org, say PSA (Patriotic Scouts of America) for example, could potentially be created to get back to what scouting was about when I was a kid, but avaliable to boys & girls alike...Leave the BSA and GSA to rot and desintigrate under the weight of the feminazis, trannys, commies, and money-grubbing sons of bitches currently infesting both.

Take all the good parts/traditions/etc. to the new org, including gender-specific groupings/activities (but with commonality across both), and place protections right in the bylaws to prevent cooption by activists and deviants (largely redundant, I know), structuring those rules themselves to be defensible against any legal attacks which we know will likely begin immediately upon inception.