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Apparently they're now changing their name, from Boy Scouts of America to Scouts BSA. This will take effect in February.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/boy-sco...0a64561da.html
Heard about the name change on the radio this morning.
It's sad...
Boy Scouts was a great experience for me and my older brothers, and to see it neutered in the interest of PC BS just further confirms how fawked our nation is...
I've had several job interviews where it came up that I had reached Eagle, and it's been a point of conversation in every one of them. I bet no one gives a sh!t going forward...
Originally Posted by Grant H.
Same.
In a bit of a conundrum. My older son is done, just has to finish paperwork submittals for his Eagle, he will finish. My younger son is a Star, almost Life rank, probably another 2 years to Eagle. I am an Eagle from years ago and been a scout leader for over 10 years. I am very seriously considering walking away from the whole deal. Not just over the recent addition of girls and the appeasement name change stuff, but the whole program has become so watered down, it just isn't the same anymore. I doubt the accomplishment of Eagle will have the same status in short order.
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Sounds a lot like the fate of college anymore.
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Still comes down to the local experience more often then not. My son is a Wolf (2nd grader). Our pack has had three girls join, two in the younger divisions, one in his. They seem like a good fit, and the parents involved have pretty clear reasons why they didn't join the girl scouts. At least at this age, the kind of little girl who joins Cub Scouts seems to be the kind who prefers to play with boys. I don't know how things will translate as they get older or move into the BSA, but at least for now, the three I've met seem indistinguishable from the boys, in that they are just as dirty, high energy, and short attention spanned as their male counterparts, who haven't particularly seemed to care that they are, indeed, girls.
All three of the families had boys who were already enrolled in the pack. We have yet to get a total outsider, or someone who didn't clearly know what they were signing their girl up for. If anything, it seems to have strengthened family loyalty to the Pack. I realize everyone has their own thoughts, opinions, and experiences. But the on-the-ground effect of integration in our local Pack has been a non-issue. I like the girls, and hope they will stick with it.
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That's a tough call. For me it would all come down to the troop that you guys are involved in, and his interest in pushing forward for Eagle.
I'm glad it's going better than I would have guessed, but I expect you are correct, the age of the group makes a big difference.
It doesn't really change my opinion on allowing girls into the BSA program.
There is nothing wrong with having gender specific groups and activities. It's actually good to have them, when done right. BSA did it right for a long time, so the fact that our current society can't figure out that boys are boys and girls are girls, shouldn't have to change that.
Congrats to the Eagles on board. I was a Scout as a kid and spent 20 years as a leader until a few years ago. My son was in for 10 years and had a great time.
I know that some members as in the past will disagree with me but the Scout program is no longer the Scout program it was. It has become diluted over the years and is based on finances more than ever. Membership and inclusion for everybody has become the driving force.
I've talked to a lot of fellow volunteers over the last few years and most of them have left due to some of the changing policies. Probably 90% of the Scout leadership is volunteers and the program will not survive without them. I can honestly say that if the current day program was in effect when I considered getting my son involved I would have found something else for him. JMHO
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I can certainly appreciate your sentiments, Grant. I am an Eagle Scout and a Navy veteran myself, both from a time when neither of those had much in the way of women. Part of me feels like the integrated approach to BSA has long existed in the form of the Explorers, so I question the sudden need to change the Boys only side. I remember as a young Scout between the ages of 13-17 desperately wishing that we allowed girls into the organization for all the wrong reasons. And as an adult, I, like you, think there is nothing inherently wrong with gender specific groups and activities. But for these younger girls, my sympathy is with the parents, who lead way busier lives then my parents did, and want to find a way to spend quality time with all their children in a structured activity that teaches civic engagement and service. They were dragging their young daughters to the meetings anyways and having them just sit there and watch while their brothers did interesting things. If the BSA were to use Cub Scouts as a feeder to the co-ed Explorer program, I really have no objection to it. I do have strong reservations to bringing female integration to the Boy Scouts when the broader organization already provides an existing outlet for it. However, with Cub Scouts on the local level, this hasn't been about the gynocracy attempting to destroy the patriarchist male hegemony through it's cherished institutions, so much as finding a way to involve all family members in a rewarding experience.
Now if we got someone who clearly didn't understand the institution and wanted to use their child as a weapon in the culture wars, I'd feel very differently about it.
Last edited by JohnnyEgo; 05-02-2018 at 13:54.
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So why isn't that pervert state senator not allowed in womens restroom at the state capital?
why cant they just do away with the gender titles, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts merge, call it Scouts of America, and have a co-ed thing overall, with some limited activities for boys only and some for girls only?
How difficult is that?
and for fuck's sake...why can't I buy thin mints year round?
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