No Girls Allowed.... not anymore

[clodhopper]

If they wanted to simply go hiking or earn merit badges for something other than selling cookies, the Girl Scouts could totally do that. Or a new organization would be formed. Or one of the myriad co-ed organizations would be joined, who allow/do/have such things as boy scouts but co-ed.

Sorry, that is just too much logic for a web based discussion. What are you thinking?


In seriousness, girl scouts is a hot mess. It will take a serious effort to recraft that into something approaching the BSA, despite how much the BSA has been watered down over the last decade or two. That means vision, drive and a lot of work. Who wants to do that? It is much easier to find a successful organization, claim discrimination, demand entrance and be granted access using the force of law and a governmental agency all the while lowering the bar because, well, those expectations for Eagle are mysoginistic and unreasonable.


The gay thing was over a year ago. Many troops in my area lost their charter organization because of it. LDS didn't jump then, but they were clearly getting uncomfortable. It was the more recent announcement to allow transgenders into BSA that seems to have pushed LDS over the edge and restructure their youth program. LDS is a big part of BSA funding. Big. If adding girls causes the LDS church to dump scouts completely, that will be a big financial hit for BSA National.

[Gman]

In seriousness, girl scouts is a hot mess. It will take a serious effort to recraft that into something approaching the BSA, despite how much the BSA has been watered down over the last decade or two. That means vision, drive and a lot of work. Who wants to do that? It is much easier to find a successful organization, claim discrimination, demand entrance and be granted access using the force of law and a governmental agency all the while lowering the bar because, well, those expectations for Eagle are mysoginistic and unreasonable.

Yeah, I asked my SIL that was a GS troop leader about it and she totally understands it. The GS is a total trainwreck led by a bunch of feminazis. Most of the moms that are troop leaders don't want to get outside and do the camping, etc., so they just sit around and do crafts all the time. They wanted to go on an Explorers trip to the NW, and were not allowed to travel on a small plane to do it (GSA forbid the use of a small aircraft). They had to go as a BS troop.

Personally, I think they should allow the guys to be in all male troops and allow boys and girls a choice if they want to be in a co-ed troop.

[Hummer]

It's not about letting anyone in/equality/etc., but destroying something with patrimony, history, and tradition.

Yes, but the recent move by the LDS to disengage from the BoyScouts puts the program in danger of extinction. The Mormons have always been a major contributor in manpower and boypower. Bringing girls in is the last chance to save the organization and money is a big part of it.

In seriousness, girl scouts is a hot mess. It will take a serious effort to recraft that into something approaching the BSA, despite how much the BSA has been watered down over the last decade or two. That means vision, drive and a lot of work. Who wants to do that? It is much easier to find a successful organization, claim discrimination, demand entrance and be granted access using the force of law and a governmental agency all the while lowering the bar because, well, those expectations for Eagle are mysoginistic and unreasonable.


The gay thing was over a year ago. Many troops in my area lost their charter organization because of it. LDS didn't jump then, but they were clearly getting uncomfortable. It was the more recent announcement to allow transgenders into BSA that seems to have pushed LDS over the edge and restructure their youth program. LDS is a big part of BSA funding. Big. If adding girls causes the LDS church to dump scouts completely, that will be a big financial hit for BSA National.

Right on all points.

When I was a Boy Scout my mother was a Girl Scout troop leader and because our family had a tradition of camping, she organized camping and hiking trips for the girls every month. I just LOVED going on those camping trips. She (and I) taught about fishing, plants and flowers, wildlife, first aid, outdoor skills.

My wife was in Girl Scouts but her experience was entirely different. She hated it because her leaders never went camping but basically taught home-ec at every gathering. It was all about cooking, cleaning, sewing, crafts, etc.

At the time I went through the program, 4 out of 5 American boys were in Scouting at some point in their lives. Now, Scouting is a small fraction of the youth in our country. No longer are we educating leaders and our nation is far poorer for it.

Hummer
Eagle Scout 1968