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    Their willingness to resort to violence is what bothers me so much about this. Throw in the fact that IF they did something, media would blame the NRA and conservatives and that makes this is a lose-lose situation. On the flip side, at least they are somewhat understanding the importance of the 2a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Well, I guess I have a completely different take on this.

    I'm pretty good with a rifle and a handgun and I don't wanna get into a gunfight with anyone. Ever. Would I, if forced to do so? Of course. But I don't look forward to that ever happening. Just like I don't wish for the zombie apocalypse or other type of societal collapse. I'm not worried so much about me getting caught up in it as I am those I care about.
    +1 on that. Same reason I work out (aside from health): in order to be better than a potential opponent. But frankly, I have no desire to get into a fist fight or any physical altercation. All it takes it one punch to the right spot and falling down and hitting one's head on a curb, etc., and you're done.

    I've seen firsthand what happens when a society collapses and it's not pretty.
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    What better way for the left to further their anti-gun agenda than to arm the unstable and violent fringe, so when they use those guns they have more "evidence" against them being legal....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    +1 on that. Same reason I work out (aside from health): in order to be better than a potential opponent. But frankly, I have no desire to get into a fist fight or any physical altercation. All it takes it one punch to the right spot and falling down and hitting one's head on a curb, etc., and you're done.

    I've seen firsthand what happens when a society collapses and it's not pretty.
    However, addendum, caveat...

    Stuff like this: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/19/irs-...sclosures.html

    Makes me want to see this country burn with the fire of 1000 suns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by izzy View Post
    Best case I see this as the left starting to see that firearms are important and perhaps leaning towards supporting the second amendment. At worst these jackasses start shooting where they shouldn't. We'll probably see something in between and everyone will likely lose in the end.
    Yeah. Most likely these asshats will pop a few rounds off here and there and the result will be more gun control. ETA: which they'd be OK with since it will disproportionately affect conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
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    THIS is how reality works people. It's like gun "confiscation" - police or any other gov't entity will never do it, they will only grandfather it and wait patiently for you to fucking die. All these defensive fantasies are utterly retarded. You won't be at all comfortable when you have errant rounds coming from a crowd without a single thing in the world that you can do about it.
    Civil war is dirty. The only rule is to win.

    If it really gets to this point, it won't matter what Fake News says. They'll have pictures of women and children wearing red bandannas in the street murdered by Nazis. We'll have pictures of dead women and children murdered by Commies.

    They'll say we started it by electing Trump (Trump is violence). We'll say they started it with a violent uprising and Soros' money.

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    I take that to mean honor was lost as were fortunes and lives. There were hard things to be done and winning required it.

    When the bad people say (and Dims of all stripes are saying this) you and your kids are going to die. What people say about you doesn't matter. You're all in whether you know it or not.

    Strategically...

    I too am concerned.

    I don't think for a moment these people are coming into the burbs or rural communities at first. They don't have the numbers and can easily picked off. I think the initial plan is to take over state capitals where they know they are safe (city LE) and try to project power from an illegitimate government. Very similar to what Denver/Boulder does to our red counties but using violence to force the hands of governors and state legislators.

    Just like Russia... You get elections, but the Party decides what the elected officials do.

    The dilemma Trump would have, with Congress fighting him and MSM smearing him, is obvious. Send in the troops = fascist. Do nothing = give up the capitals and let them form shadow local governments.

    It's a "phase 2" that gets really personal when they get to start picking winners and losers. It won't be demonstrators stacked on our front doors then. It will be worse.
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    Does this mean Ann Margaret isn't coming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    I don't wanna get into a gunfight with anyone. Ever. Would I, if forced to do so? Of course. But I don't look forward to that ever happening. Just like I don't wish for the zombie apocalypse or other type of societal collapse. I'm not worried so much about me getting caught up in it as I am those I care about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fmedges View Post
    In my opinion groups like these pose a mild threat but due to their incompetence have a high likely hood of doing some really stupid shit. Showing up places and having ND's and things of that nature.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_L View Post
    Their willingness to resort to violence is what bothers me so much about this. Throw in the fact that IF they did something, media would blame the NRA and conservatives and that makes this is a lose-lose situation. On the flip side, at least they are somewhat understanding the importance of the 2a.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sawin View Post
    What better way for the left to further their anti-gun agenda than to arm the unstable and violent fringe, so when they use those guns they have more "evidence" against them being legal....
    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    One of those 5% shitbags with rifles are going to pop a round at someone. Then every other 5% is going to start popping rounds at someone because "they are getting shot at".

    Meanwhile, you and every other non ANTIFA and even the police cannot return fire with so much as a single round, because they have the best version of human shields that would make even ISIS jealous. Further, the unarmed crowd will either run, or the rest become hostile and violently accost everyone in the area under the guise that ANTIFA is being fired upon.

    Meanwhile, the press reports that someone started shooting at the ANTIFA rioters and they were oppressed, despite every fucking round coming from ANTIFA rioters.
    Unfortunately, all of the above is how I see it. These SJW Rambo-wannabes don't scare me any more than the mall ninjas should scare anyone else. OTOH, they are a source ripe for NDs and violence that will be blamed on us no matter what the truth is.

    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    All it takes it one punch to the right spot and falling down and hitting one's head on a curb, etc., and you're done.
    This is the other element. Napoleon once said he'd rather have a general who is lucky than one who is good. Read about the gunfight between Jim Courtright and Luke Short -- Short's first shot took off Courtright's shooting thumb and gave him the time to follow-up with 4 better-placed shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Well, I guess I have a completely different take on this.

    I'm pretty good with a rifle and a handgun and I don't wanna get into a gunfight with anyone. Ever. Would I, if forced to do so? Of course. But I don't look forward to that ever happening. Just like I don't wish for the zombie apocalypse or other type of societal collapse. I'm not worried so much about me getting caught up in it as I am those I care about.
    I'm confident that this is the stance of the majority of the members here. We're ready and willing, but not looking for a fight. As a poor paraphrase of Grossman, one of the biggest assets to an armed community is that those who engage in training for righteous (read self defense and preservation of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness) have a longing to exercise their force in an appropriate manner, but keep the aggression sheathed until necessary. That time may sadly becoming more of a reality.

    On the flip side, though use of force may be righteous, just remember that a "booger-eater with an unzeroed AK, who doesn't know the difference between line of sight & line of bore"
    has the same ability to kill you as someone who is well trained. Thanks Paul Howe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    When the lefties are 'traumatized' shooting an AR-15, they don't have much of a chance.
    That reminds me of that YouTube video of the reporter shooting an ar and then afterward nearly throwing up because the black death machine was so evil it made him sick.....yea with libs like that I'm not too worried.

    As for johnny super lib this F*****r won't back off so screw the talk and let's get it on.

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