Shows it can happen anywhere (Gun range employee kills customer)

[CS1983]

Ronin was army, so he should understand.

translation:

two people didn't follow processes designed to keep them from doing what they did (ND).

[Ronin13]

Ronin was army, so he should understand.

translation:

two people didn't follow processes designed to keep them from doing what they did (ND).

I do, very well! We had an ND at JRTC at Ft. Polk. It was a PFC, and being in a Support BN I was shocked it was the only one in our BN during my time there. That doesn't count the Czech soldiers on our FOB that cleared a 12.7mm heavy MG mounted to one of their vehicles that suffered an ND that had the round go into our SOG shack. The NCOIC was luckily not in there at the time.

[CS1983]

I think at that point, we would have started referring to an ND as a Function Czech.

[hollohas]

I don't understand the "cleaning" excuse. When I think cleaning, my first thought goes to running a patch through the barrel. Can't do that with a round in it.

So when they use the "cleaning" excuse, what do they mean, like wiping it down with a cloth or something?

The "cleaning" excuse means either they were getting ready to clean it or they were playing with it.

[izzy]

Yeah, "I set off my gun while cleaning it" is like telling your wife that "I tripped and accidentally ended up kissing that other woman by mistake".

[Squeeze]

That made almost zero sense to me.

LOL, if you weren't in the military, then it is likely you wouldn't understand Cav's post.

[OtterbatHellcat]

The "cleaning" excuse means either they were getting ready to clean it or they were playing with it.

I agree completely.

[KevDen2005]

This is another reason why I like to shoot on private land (with permission) away from people

[Jer]

This is another reason why I like to shoot on private land (with permission) away from people

Exactly this. I go shoot "out in the sticks" with people I know/trust. Sad will be the day when I no longer know someone who has some land.

[vectorsc]

Eh - there could be story beyond what we know. This could have been an employee taking an x-mark triggered Remington 700 over to the clearing bucket right after a customer brought it in.

You have to handle and clear it some time, and while I agree that this is probably raw stupid, it could be diluted stupid. For example cabelas has a clearing counter with a bullet trap. But you have to pretty much point that gun at the customer service area to USE the clearing trap, which is mounted on the wall in a way you can't possibly insert a muzzle without directing the cuddly end of the gun towards the back office.

This is a common failure in businesses with "safe" gun practices...they have a clearing bucket but its mounted in a place where an ND while getting the gun there results in shit like this.