HK91 vs. FAL

[ColoEnthusiast]

Curious about some opinions on OS comparison between the FAL design and the HK91....
Although they are both excellent rifles, I will take the side of the HK91...
From studying the mechanicals perspective, I actually would think the hk91 to have a few distinct advantages:
1. The fluted chamber on the 91 eases extraction, allows dirt a place to go and would seem to keep a stuck case from occurring. Additionally, I have seen a video on youtube showing a cetme (same basic design) that was used without extractor. Slower, but the cases would not stick even with no extractor!
2. The roller delayed blowback design means no gas assist parts to fail or become fouled.
3. I have read that the 91's are generally more accurate.
4. Although both are relatively easy to strip and clean, the 91 has independent and hot swapable trigger group.
5. Trigger groups easily modified for minimal creep and light, clean break on 91.
6. No recoil assembly components behind receiver, allowing the extending stock to go forward all the way to the rear of the receiver for minimum length.
7. All 91's share the same parts to the best of my knowledge (aside from the AL rec. models that are uncommon anyway).
8. The sights on the 91's are the best factory sights I have ever personally used, as opposed to loose and less precise sights which I have tried on a couple of FALs.
9. Cheaper magazines and all high quality.
10. Quick release optical mounts (which though quite expensive), do no obscure view of iron sights and are well known as zero repeatable after removed and replaced.

I respect the FAL design as well so no offense to any FAL owners. Just looking for some educated dialogue on the pro's and cons of each. Let's hear it... from both sides!!

[DOC]

HK91 is harder on the shell because those flutes are meant to channel gas around the shell and create an air bubble that helps remove the shell. It doesn't have a gas system but with the chamber fluting it still pushes carbon and gas back into the firing system. And is still a little dirty. Other makers of similar rifles got around stuck shells by greasing the ammo up really good and that kept it from sticking.

But they are both good rifles. Get both.

[ColoEnthusiast]

But they are both good rifles. Get both.

Enabling at it's finest....
Good point on the fluting negs. I have seen brass after the 91... Probably best to just run surp through them.

[kpp80202]

I owned both a PTR-91 and an SA-58 for about a year and sold them to buy a Ducati. I recently rebought an FAL. Both were great (as is the Duc!). I second the remark that the HK action gets dirty--real dirty, and it is more difficult to clean because there is no removable top cover and because of the convoluted shape of the receiver. That said, you can run either of them really dirty and it doesn't matter at all. The cheap and available HK mags issue is a big plus. I wasn't a fan of the claw mount for optics. Yes, it is easy on and off, but puts the optics very high. The "looking through the legs of a giant" view of the iron sights through the mount is not great either, but better than nothing, I guess. I eventually went with a low profile B&T picatinny type mount which lowered the optics, but obscured the sights, just like optcis on an ARMS mount on the FAL does. Some other minuses with the HK platform are the lack of last shot bolt hold open, the lack of the paddle-type ambi mag release on the clones (which can be added for $$$), and the slightly greater difficulty operation of the operating lever due to the folding design and the tightness of the roller locking system. One big plus for the HK is the relatively low cost and ease of switching out stocks (just pull two pins). One more thin that to me it is not a plus, is that you can add more crap on to the HK platform if you are of the tacti-kewl persuasion.

If you can't tell, my opinion is that they are very close, but I prefer the FAL by just a bit. But, a lot of people will think my minuses are plusses. On a completely irrelevant note, I think the FAL's long, lean profile is more elegant. It looks like it has only what it absolutely needs to function as a battle rifle. I love being an enabler, so I will put it this way. Try to own both for a while, and do your best to figure out if you can live without one of them. I can, but don't want to...

[DOC]

This maybe a plus. But sitting next to my AK or AR that mag sitting the HK91 looks huge like a monster mag that might only look small next to a 50 BMG.

Its a .308 too. A real nice non-PC battle slash hunting round.

[kpp80202]

DOC--the .308 round is a huge plus! Properly loaded it can take down anything in the states.

[DOC]

I'm a little worried about .308 working on terminators. But that is what my plasma rifle in the 40 watt range is for.

[GreenScoutII]

I'm a little worried about .308 working on terminators. But that is what my plasma rifle in the 40 watt range is for.

Thats awesome! I remember the Terminator gun store scene. I wonder, would the Plasma rifle be an NFA weapon?

[Eow]

But they are both good rifles. Get both.

Agree, get both.

The HK won't jam on you, ever, even in desert conditions. But the FAL is much more ergonomic, the controls are exactly where you would want them. I particularly like the charging handle on the left side.

[kpp80202]

Do you see a pattern forming here? It is expensive...