SWATting turns deadly

[Jer]

Close second is IT.

Move!

However, I do enjoy second guessing my doctors.

They're just trying to make money while they can because WebMD is going to put them all out of business soon enough.

"Man, my shoulder is a bit sore today"

*checks symptoms on WebMD*

Oh dear gawd I'm dying!"

[hollohas]

We second guess and Monday morning quarterback everything. Everyday, here or in real life, there is something that all of us will question was done right or not without having much experience in it. It's not just LE, but LE seems to be the only one's who get so upset when people second guess them.

We question literally everything our elected officials do yet most of us have little legislative experience and none of us are in on the backroom negotiations that go into forming bills. Yet, we still feel the need to say they do it wrong. We question political campaigns without having ever been involved in one. Nobody ever gets accused of "Monday morning quarterbacking" legislative decisions or elections we know nothing about.

We second guess legal rulings with zero legal experience and no law degree.

People second guess doctors ALL THE TIME. Google has made it worse.

We second guess our mechanics, our co-workers, IT (as previously mentioned). We second guess the coaches of our favorite sports team with nothing but a 2nd string middle school team worth of experience. Same for the GM's of those teams. Non-parents second guess parents. Parents second guess other parents without having any experience with the issues the other faces. Shooters with little experience with one expertise questions those who are experts. Everyday firearms trainers are told they are wrong by people who shoot less than a box a year. Rarely does that get one the Monday morning label.

People questioning things is natural and common. LE are NOT special in that regard. It may upset you guys, but I promise, you aren't the only special ones under a microscope being constantly evaluated by the internet commandos.

[Bailey Guns]

Part of keeping the peace is de-escalation and conflict resolution with direct interaction with the public, which nearly every single person does nearly every single day. It doesn't take knowledge of a super secret "LE procedure" to understand how to interact with people or be able to tell when someone has screwed up in doing so. In addition, the general public is the very target of "LE procedure," so they have a highly vested interest in how well things are working. If a specialized doctor screws up some procedure and a patient with a rare medical condition dies as a result, most people won't have that condition so they won't care. However, the police deal with "the public" which includes every single person in the country, including the LE community. The quicker you can get over the idea that the most basic part of your job some how makes you above reproach from the public, the better your quality of life will be.\

EDIT: I'm not sure how to word my post so it doesn't sound like I'm harassing you, but that isn't my intent.

Well, sometimes deescalating the situation requires somebody gets shot. Especially some moron that can't follow simple instructions like "DROP THE KNIFE" or "LEMME SEE YOUR HANDS". I'm not talking necessarily about this incident. Just like a I wasn't necessarily talking about this incident with my last post.

I don't think it really has anything to do with (or very little) people having a vested interest in police procedures because they're the "very target" of those procedures. I think police work can be very ugly. People want it done but they oftentimes don't want to see it or the outcome. Especially in this day and age when so many are more "enlightened". Most people can't imagine fighting with someone in the middle of the night on the side of the road, after you've been stabbed in the face with a screwdriver, until you almost pass out from fatigue, because that's a very ugly thing to think about, much less to do. And then, when they actually see it on YouTube, they just can't believe the cop didn't do this or didn't do that or didn't shoot the guy in the leg. And they say shit like that because they don't have the experience of having done that and they most likely never will. They haven't received the training from people who've been there and done that and recommend it be handled a certain way because that's what works best within the framework of the law.

Yes, officers practice deescalation all the time, day in and day out, and it usually works. Sometimes it doesn't though, and it's tragic. Officers don't have an unlimited amount of time to deescalate. Not to mention that whole "deescalation" thing is a two way street. People are obligated to follow lawful orders issued by the Gestapo police. If you don't think a lawful order applies to you don't be surprised when the officer deescalates the situation by tasing you or throwing you on the ground or maybe even shooting you.

Like many other things in life, people are often their own worst enemy...especially when they deal with the police.

[Irving]

I was going to mention the "shoot him in the leg," thing because that is an actual thing that people say, and is always total bullshit. Of course police work is more complex than just my post, but I wasn't trying to steer the thread into the discussion of what the public thinks about the police.

[Ronin13]

We second guess and Monday morning quarterback everything. Everyday, here or in real life, there is something that all of us will question was done right or not without having much experience in it. It's not just LE, but LE seems to be the only one's who get so upset when people second guess them.

We question literally everything our elected officials do yet most of us have little legislative experience and none of us are in on the backroom negotiations that go into forming bills. Yet, we still feel the need to say they do it wrong. We question political campaigns without having ever been involved in one. Nobody ever gets accused of "Monday morning quarterbacking" legislative decisions or elections we know nothing about.

We second guess legal rulings with zero legal experience and no law degree.

People second guess doctors ALL THE TIME. Google has made it worse.

We second guess our mechanics, our co-workers, IT (as previously mentioned). We second guess the coaches of our favorite sports team with nothing but a 2nd string middle school team worth of experience. Same for the GM's of those teams. Non-parents second guess parents. Parents second guess other parents without having any experience with the issues the other faces. Shooters with little experience with one expertise questions those who are experts. Everyday firearms trainers are told they are wrong by people who shoot less than a box a year. Rarely does that get one the Monday morning label.

People questioning things is natural and common. LE are NOT special in that regard. It may upset you guys, but I promise, you aren't the only special ones under a microscope being constantly evaluated by the internet commandos.

I'll just say we do second guess and Monday morning quarterback all the time. But, just because we do it, doesn't mean it's right, and doesn't make it right, especially coming from a position of inexperience or ignorance. I liken it to the people at hockey games when the forwards are trying to organize a scoring opportunity and fans start shouting "SHOOT!" I always have to shake my head and think "Yes, because they're the pros and don't know when a good time to shoot is."

And to your last part- we may not be the only ones under a microscope, but last time I checked people didn't riot when Vance Joseph makes a bad call and puts the wrong quarterback in.

[crays]

And to your last part- we may not be the only ones under a microscope, but last time I checked people didn't riot when Vance Joseph makes a bad call and puts the wrong quarterback in.

Damn near, though... Good thing the season isn't a few weeks longer.

[hollohas]

...we may not be the only ones under a microscope, but last time I checked people didn't riot when Vance Joseph makes a bad call and puts the wrong quarterback in.

Oh, there have been plenty of riots after sporting events. But I see your point anyway.

Bottom line. Monday morning quarterbacking may not be cool, but this forum would have like 75% fewer posts if we weren't always trying to solve the world's problems with our keyboards. It's what we do. It's what people do everywhere. Here, around the water cooler, at the bar and at home.

[BladesNBarrels]

.......... last time I checked people didn't riot when Vance Joseph makes a bad call and puts the wrong quarterback in.

Dumb question. Which quarterback was the wrong one? They all seemed to be the wrong one this year

[Ronin13]

Dumb question. Which quarterback was the wrong one? They all seemed to be the wrong one this year

LOL
Beats me, I haven't watched a single game... Just going off what I heard from the news reports on 630.

[Bailey Guns]

You're making this jump to "beyond reproach" and I don't recall anyone saying that.