Why environmentalists annoy me...

[GreenScoutII]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33419910...s-environment/

Ok. I think most of us agree we need to develop ways to generate electricity other than fossil fuels. I for one think it would be great not to need to import oil from the middle east, or to use coal for powerplants. I'm all for the so called green energy. Lets do it! Cool!

One would think if a conservative leaning, Libertarian, semi-Redneck like me can get behind windfarms, the tree huggers would be going ape-shit crazy over the prospect of clean energy powered by nothing more than the wind. No, of course not. Now these Birkenstock wearing libtards are fighting the developers of the wind farm over a stupid bat..

What the hell do they want????

[Irving]

There is a lot of this actually. Before the bats, people were complaining about how they looked. I also hear that they are pretty loud as well, so not only do they take up a ton of space, but they are loud and can dominate a landscape.

Also, I've seen a bunch of lawsuits from things killing birds, but all those cases have some sort of negligence involved. One case, for example, some oil company didn't properly secure the lids to some oil canister or something, birds were flying in, getting stuck and dying. There is clear negligence there, but with the windmills, they work exactly as they are supposed to, so no one is to blame.

I'm with you Greenscout. People don't seem to be able to figure out that there will never be one answer that will satisfy every problem. It is like the unobtainium of environmentalism.

[BigMat]

What the hell do they want????

I believe it is the end of the human race they are looking for, something like a mass suicide, but SUV owners first, when they are all dead, then the hippies with kill themselves. Trust them, It's for the animals.

As much as I love nature, and I do, I also understand the nature of opportunity cost, which seems to have eluded some of our noble dirty brethren. I am all for saving the planet with wind farms, solar power plants or what have you. Seems like a great way to get ourselves outa the Middle East and Venezuela and it creates a ton of great jobs for a lot of hard working Americans. That said, it pisses me off when left leaning environmentalists don’t want to pay the price, just demand it elsewhere. Like when Massachusetts didn’t want the wind farms off shore as it ruined their views from their million plus dollar palaces, yet they are more than willing to demand it happen in someone else’s back yard.

[Irving]

I heard about the off shore wind farm thing, but am always confused about that. What, exactly, is there to see 10 miles out in the ocean?

[StagLefty]

I heard about the off shore wind farm thing, but am always confused about that. What, exactly, is there to see 10 miles out in the ocean?

Trained dolphins with AR's shooting the Russian fishermen scooping up all the fishies !!

[Batteriesnare]

Trained dolphins with AR's shooting the Russian fishermen scooping up all the fishies !!

I've heard of the Navy training sea animals, but that's just badass!

[roberth]

Wind power and solar have massive inefficiencies. They take up alot of usable space, they are unsightly, wind and cloud cover are unpredictable and therefore unreliable. These pie in the sky ideas are not practical or cost efficient. Has anyone besides me seen those damn ugly windmills east of the intersection of hwy 93 and hwy 128, I don't want that shit blocking my view of the mountains, nor do I want the sun reflecting off of thousands of solar panels in my face.

Fossil fuels provide the best most efficent solution currently and we have plenty of resources here in North American which could put a dent in the unemployment picture.

Nuclear power would be the best solution for generating electricity, but 'gasp', it's nuclear so it's evil.

The 'nature nazis' need to do a few things themselves, get off the grid, stop using ANYTHING that is delivered, built, or uses fossil fuels. This means no cars, computers, poly fleece or cotton clothing, running water, etc. I think it'd be funny to see algore walking barefoot across tennesee.

As to the question 'What do they want' - they want the rest of us to suffer while they bathe in the comfort of their hypocrisy.

[Mtn.man]

Ed Tv

[Mtn.man]

I like solar panels,, have put in Many solar gates and am currently installing solar on my garage/shop for my floor heat and what ever else I can do.

[roberth]

Mtn.man wrote: I like solar panels,,

They have their place in small applications. What I'm talking about is the substitution of a coal fired electrical plant with wind turbines or solar panels.