SB18-052 - Repeal Ammunition Magazine Prohibition

[Gman]

I would love to see the R's take control of the legislature and win the Gov seat and repeal all that bs. I just think CO is too far gone. We may keep it from getting much worse for awhile, but I don't think the odds are good that we ever get the mag ban repealed. Wish that were not the case, but I think that's the way it is realisticallly. Not that I'll stop fighting my arse off for it.

That pretty much sums up my position.

[Skip]

Do we have any dirt on these people? Can we investigate them and get pictures of them doing what Dems do best. (e.g. Drugs, Hookers, Bribes and murder) I am only saying its happened before.

You're right but Dims don't care. Dim voters have been conditioned to care about other things.

Recall Mayor Handcock hiring an attorney to confirm DPD didn't have him on surveillance in front of a local whorehouse? Recall local media dropping the story?

The key really is demographics and I have to say this is not all bad news if open borders immigration can be halted. Gen Z is turning out to be the most Conservative and pro-gun generation we've seen in my lifetime. It will come down to if Dims are successful in replacing those voters which is why DACA is so important right now, why immigration is a racial issue to them (it means ending whiteness to them so resisting that is inherently racist), and why Trump won.

Put yourself in the shoes of a 20-something who wants a decent life and look at the landscape collectivists have created: impossible healthcare costs, broke social programs, high cost of living, and identity politics that marginalize you for wanting to keep a paycheck to support yourself. Not even talking about having a family...

Hell, Dims just went on record saying workers keeping more of their paychecks under the new tax cut is racist and will lead to Armageddon. They don't care about that those voters because they think they can replace us.

[DDT951]

Issue is then we're compromising on a constitutional right, and letting them know we're willing to play their games. In the short run it might be good for us CCW holders, but we run the risk of never getting our other rights back because, "well, we compromised on this one thing this one time, so how about you compromise (over and over again) and give us this portion of your rights in return?" We need to take the whole thing back, otherwise we put ourselves in a disadvantageous bargaining position.

How well has refusing a compromise worked for us?

Right now we can refuse to compromise, and we dont get mags.

Learn from the left. They know they want to get from point A to Z. They learn they cannot do it in one step. They will have 26 small steps in between.

There was one point when the dems had the house by one vote, that we could have likely gotten 30 rounds through as the limit....but we refused to compromise.

Sometimes losing less is the better strategy...

[DDT951]

CA & NY never pushed back as hard as CO did . . . they weren't expecting the blowback. I think they will be content to leave well enough alone (in their minds, anyway) for awhile. But, that said . . . they got what they wanted in the end. At least we gave them serious food for thought as to whether they want to try for more.

I would love to see the R's take control of the legislature and win the Gov seat and repeal all that bs. I just think CO is too far gone. We may keep it from getting much worse for awhile, but I don't think the odds are good that we ever get the mag ban repealed. Wish that were not the case, but I think that's the way it is realisticallly. Not that I'll stop fighting my arse off for it.

No they wont.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb18-051



Under current law, possession of a dangerous weapon is a class 5 felony for a first offense and a class 4 felony for each subsequent offense. The bill amends the definition of 'dangerous weapon' to include a 'multi-burst trigger activator', which the bill defines as:

A device that attaches to a semiautomatic firearm and allows the firearm to discharge 2 or more shots in a burst when the device is activated; or
A manual or power-driven trigger-activating device that, when attached to a semiautomatic firearm, increases the rate of fire of that firearm.
The bill also provides that a person who sells a multi-burst trigger activator to another person, or who purchases a multi-burst trigger activator from another person, commits a class 5 felony; except that each subsequent violation by the same person is a class 4 felony.




They are trying for more. It doesnt seem they are that worried.


And the DEMS have increased seats in the house.

DEMS: 37 REPS: 28


REPS have lost seats since the "revolt" over gun bills.

[DDT951]

I see your point but people should not have to pay a tax on their right. In fact I believe it's unconstitutional, not that anyone with power cares.

I already have to pay a "fee" to get a background check.

I already have to pay a tax for an NFA item.

I already have to pay for a CCW permit.

I already have to pay an excise tax on firearms and ammunition.

[DDT951]

Hey, why not propose a tax on ammo, say $1 per round. Get creative with your own money, not mine.

No, I want something that is now allowed right now. Just like MJ was.

Ammo is already allowed. I am not talking about taxing that.

What can you propose that could possibly make 4 or 5 DEM house members turn?

The only thing I think that motivates them is more taxes. And control. But they will give some control for more taxes.

I am open to anything that might work. What are you suggestions to get 5 DEMS to go for getting rid of the mag ban?

[crays]

I already have to pay a "fee" to get a background check.

I already have to pay a tax for an NFA item.

I already have to pay for a CCW permit.

I already have to pay an excise tax on firearms and ammunition.

So why willingly pay more?

[DDT951]

If we get any slightly progun guy in the office. I think we have a chance to repeal the bad laws. Can you just imagine what the news would say? They never have to report about someone getting their rights back. Its always how much worse its going to be.

You have Denver and Boulder.

The only hope we have is to get a REP that appeals to the suburban women. That is where the swing vote is for governor.

And most suburban women dont really have "gun rights" high on their list.

My personal opinion is the REPS have the best chance putting a woman up at the moment.

[DDT951]

So why willingly pay more?

Because right now I cannot buy standard cap magazine. So, if I had to pay somewhat more than not getting it at all, I would rather that.

Its not that I want to pay more. Its a game of "would I rather".

I would rather pay a whole lot less in taxes in general. But at least if I have to pay them, maybe I can get a little satisfaction...

[DDT951]

Put yourself in the shoes of a 20-something who wants a decent life and look at the landscape collectivists have created: impossible healthcare costs, broke social programs, high cost of living, and identity politics that marginalize you for wanting to keep a paycheck to support yourself. Not even talking about having a family...
us.

Most of them I talk to (have some work for me) dont blame the collectivism.

They cannot separate the "social injustice" and "income inequality" from taxes.

They think they should pay less (no matter what they make) and other should pay more.

The simple version of most peoples vision of taxes is:

Anyone who makes less than me is a lazy bum who doesnt pay their fair share; anyone who makes more than me is a greedy bastard that doesnt pay their fair share"