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Another communist (T Kaine) is blabbering now. All the damn communists are taking turns, I wonder when McCain, Flake, and Gardner will step to the mike.
Last edited by roberth; 01-21-2018 at 15:19.
Typically when I have something bad happen to me, or go through a tough time, I use that as a life experience, and in turn am able to sympathize and or empathize with people, not carry an attitude of "well I've had to deal with tough times, so screw you", but that's called building character, something which some aren't capable of doing...Originally Posted by clodhopper
It's not guaranteed but has always been implemented in every government shutdown. It is in neither party's interest to create another victim class and wages/salary are a pittance in the vast scheme of government costs. I'm not on board with much of anything clodhopper said but I think back pay for the federal civil workers is a safe assumption. Contractors and others affected by the shutdown are another story but in many cases the contract was prepaid so there are things that can be done. In 2013, my company advised everyone to take the vacation time during the shutdown but also dipped into internal funds so employees who didn't want to (or couldn't) take unplanned vacations could use the time to work on needed training and professional education.
As far as the comment about USAA, I don't think they are covering EVERYONE in the military, just current customers. They've done the same things in past shutdowns, crediting customer accounts as if they got the normal direct deposit on the normal day. This is frequently needed because a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and would run into cashflow issues even if promised backpay.
While backpay is not guaranteed, we have received it every time I have been through a shutdown. I have forgotten how many times we have been through the drill because it seems that for every actual shut down there have been five threatened shutdowns that were averted at the last moment. Last week was full of emails and phone calls reminding us of our "essential" status. Every time it happens, my wife reminds me that we would be better off if I was not "essential." I get paid after the shutdown is over for work that I was required to do regardless of whether there was a pay check or not. Non-essential employees get what we like to refer to as a paid vacation of unknown duration.
We all chose this profession. 29 years later, I can say that like most choices in life, there have been up and downs. I'm looking forward to my next career in the private sector where I can develop a whole new outlook on being a "bitchy" American worker.
Be safe.
Last edited by cstone; 01-21-2018 at 16:48.
All I see there is a whole lot of "legislation introduced" and "should get back pay." I'll believe it if and when the check clears the bank.
For those of you who are assuring everyone that back pay will be reimbursed, I point you to Hoser's post. He did NOT receive back pay for 2013's furlough.
You're no dark horse, Clodhopper. A dark horse is defined as "a candidate or competitor about whom little is known but who unexpectedly wins or succeeds." The only part of that definition that fits you is "about whom little is known." You proffered your point of view. Your view happened to not only be unpopular, but was filled with incorrect assumptions and projected a very cavalier assumption- if, in fact, you were ever in a situation such as a furlough. Was your smug statement "coldhearted'? Poor you, surrounded by people burdened with patriotic "feelz" and the inability to recognize your obviously superior arguments. Thank GOODNESS you were able to shed light on our problem: we wouldn't be furloughed if we weren't government workers. Of course! Why, it really is all our fault that we out ourselves in this position.
You are SO RIGHT.
"There is nothing in the world so permanent as a temporary emergency." - Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
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Stop all back pay for government employees and pay for Elected officials during furloughs except military (they need to get paid no matter what)
Last edited by Mazin; 01-21-2018 at 18:41.
Yep, I saw an article put out by them. You have to have direct deposit with them for at least two months, and the max they can lend at 0% is $6000.
I'm happy to say our Army friend has his check deposited in their USAA account, so it's an option for them.
I believe I also saw something about Navy Federal Credit Union also offering something similar.
"There is nothing in the world so permanent as a temporary emergency." - Robert A Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
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Guess I should have said "Black sheep". Thanks for setting me straight.
And yeah, I have weathered more than one furlough. Course I didn't get the back pay. But like you and everyone else, I have the option to find a new job. As a result of one of those furloughs, I did.
Cavalier? really? whatever.
I retract my initial statements about the concept being unfair to the govt workers who are subject to the situation. Grey has cleared up my opinion that govt workers don't appreciate how good they have it and expect special treatment. It is clear that they could care less about the issues others may have experienced in life and are only concerned with the tribulations of their own lives regardless how inconsequential they may be. I stand with Mazin.
[shakes head at ridiculous state of affairs and wanders off to more important matters]
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Flake is blabbing now in an effort to help his illegal alien buddies.
Gawd I HATE him and McCain.
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