"Worse than Watergate"- House Intel Memo

[Irving]

You're kidding, right? Lexis Nexis isn't the end-all, be-all. Databases aren't ironclad, and are only as dependable as the clerks that input the information. You have to cross-reference your data between a minimum of two databases, and THEN start at the courts where the cases began, and get the information. It's not like TV, where a few keystrokes on the magical database spits out the exact information you need to know. You need to find the ifnomration and then analyze it, and that takes time.

Sounds a lot like what detectives do to me.

[TheGrey]

Sounds a lot like what detectives do to me.

They have a role in the legal system, it's true.

[JohnnyDrama]

The statements made by the people in that video are those of people that are literally insane. You put the evidence right in front of their faces and they're still clinging to the "Trump is a dictator" narrative when he had nothing to do with this. It's just mind-boggling the way they're twisting this.

Yet still expected.

I admit, I don't tune into much news. It seems like the more I hear, the dumber I get. Most of what I hear comes from 20 second breaks on the radio, interweb headlines, and what I read here. It seems to me that the MSM has doubled down on stupid though.

[JohnnyDrama]

Give it a week and see what happens. I agree with the others who say "nothing". Not that something "shouldn't " be done, it should. Heads should roll. But I don't think they will.

We live in a country with a corrupt government and a corrupt judicial system - on both sides of the isle. They bash each other on the talking head shows then have cocktails together afterwards.

"Wardrobe Malfunction at Halftime Show!". Headlines like that will dominate for the next week, not this.

I'm with you on most of that. I think though, at this point, the talking heads gather 'round their respective KoolAid bowls instead.

[Gman]

It's important to be able to emotionally detach ones self from a discussion or situation to see the best picture. I'd say that human nature makes that very difficult for most of us.

Agreed.

[Skip]

I wasn't talking about trying to take a middle ground, I meant simply removing oneself from what they want to be true, to find out what is actually true. If someone hates Trump so much that they think he pulled strings to create this fake report or something, then of course actual facts contrary to that position won't matter, because they can't even see them.

Yes!

I wasn't saying you are trying to take a middle ground. I was saying, to your point, strip away emotion and look at the facts. A person isn't left with anything in the middle to not care.

I guess people can ignore the facts, but like I said, this is front page news. Just that the news is different depending on where you go.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Eh, to be honest I don't hardly care. I knew it was overblown before the release. Worse than watergate? Eh, no, not even.

I'll disagree. Watergate was what was overblown as a "crisis". CREEP did nothing more than what the Democrats going back to JFK (and probably back to FDR but it's been documented back to JFK) had been doing when it came to bugging the other party's offices and their operation was intended to get political intelligence they could use for the campaign. One reason Nixon reacted the way he did was that he thought it was common knowledge that kind of activity had been going on and therefore underestimated the reaction and spin.

This effort got official wiretap authorizations knowingly based on fraudulent evidence that seemed to have been designed to find some way to bring criminal charges against members of the administration or campaign who wouldn't otherwise have been looked at. They even knowingly leaked dossier information they knew to be false so they could cite the "independent" press reports as corroboration for their FISA requests. This case IMO is much more serious undermining of Constitutional rights and misuse of official powers. The wiretaps they generated from this were the basis for the perjury traps they laid in for Michael Flynn.

[Gman]

The burden of proof for the govt. to investigate its citizens via FISA should be huge. Americans don't trust their government, and information like this certainly reaffirms that distrust.

[Bailey Guns]

Actually, from what I've read getting a FISA warrant for surveillance on a US citizen is a very complicated process with a lot of oversight. That's one reason this is such a big deal. Once Trump was elected it became a bigger deal because the number of lies and misinformation fed to the court had to increase to cover their tracks.

The other possibility is the FISA judge was in on it. I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that's not the case.

[DavieD55]