School Shooting in KY

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Most people (not all) have experienced bullying to some degree or another. Do a lot of schools turn a blind eye to it? I'm sure they do. Having a school administrator bring parents into their school and accuse their child of being a "bully" is a very touchy subject and there is no easy way to go about it. It's a hard truth that many parents refuse to accept. So many parents have the mindset their child is just a perfect little angel and there's no way their son/daughter is a bully. I had first hand experience of being part of a sit-down with a couple and a school administrator many years ago over a bullying incident between their son and mine. Their son was the bully and they refused to believe it, even though the teacher who witnessed it made a statement. My solution didn't go over very well. I received a formal "letter of trespass" from the school. One of my prouder moments as a father, but I digress.

There are documented cases where children have committed suicide over being bullied. I find this not just heartbreaking, but unacceptable. It is absolutely the responsibility of the parents, teachers, friends or anyone else who witnesses it to take measures to stop it.

That being said, unless anyone here happens to know this particular child and his situation specifically, there is absolutely no way to know if "bullying" played a part in his motive to carry out the shooting. If I had to take an educated guess, I bet there are some mental issues at hand which are not being talked about. If the Liberal loonies preached about better funding and resources to combat mental illness as much as they do about gun control, we would start working towards a solution to the real problems at hand in our society. Unfortunately for the Liberal mindset, they don't understand the first step in solving any real problem is admitting there is one in the first place.

At the end of the day, if America was truly concerned about stopping school/mass shootings, they would stop televising it and giving these murderers their 5 minutes of fame. Once the media is no longer reporting on these incidents and practically turning the cowardly killers into celebrities overnight, we would see a significant decline in these types of shootings.

[CoGirl303]

WRT "bullying" how is this defined?

Let's face it, kids can be little assholes sometimes. I probably was when I was a kid. I'll bet most of you were, too. It's part of being human.

They're kids, they don't have fully developed personalities and empathy is something people have to learn. As is the ability to deal with people who are acting like assholes.

Where do you draw the line between normal asshole kid behavior and "bullying?" And where do you draw the line between "protecting kids from bullying" and "preventing kids from learning how to be adults and deal with assholes?"

If kids are protected from having to deal with obnoxious asshole behavior, what are they going to do once they get kicked out the door and into the real world? That would be a major shock for them if they never developed the skills to deal with rude, obnoxious jerks in real life.

I get a little teasing now and then, kids will be kids. But when the bullying is every day, before, during and after class...that's where the line needs to be drawn. I'm not saying coddle every kid for every little thing. When it's continuous, unrelenting and it starts to trends toward becoming physical in nature or does become physical, then intervention is necessary.

Laughing at a kid for tripping, dropping his/her lunch tray, dropping books, little stuff like that? let it go.

When it gets to the point of following the kid around the school, jumping them in a hallway, in the locker room, on the bus, following them to and from school and beyond...that's where the line needs to be drawn.

[DOC]

On the other side of the coin. If a kid commits suicide he is a POS and is hurting more than just themselves. And the bully is going to be the least hurt. Their family and friends all suffer for the rest of their lives.
I have a hard time feeling sorry for those people being bullied about being a little heavy. The way I look at it is... they would rather kill themselves then loose a little weight. But even on the other side if its real bad bullying its just as wrong to commit suicide. I would rather live and know that pisses off my enemies because I won't go away. Killing myself would make them happy and I don't want to see them happy.

[Gman]

I would rather live and know that pisses off my enemies because I won't go away. Killing myself would make them happy and I don't want to see them happy.

Thats the stance I took. Don't give them the satisfaction.

[Irving]

On the other side of the coin. If a kid commits suicide he is a POS and is hurting more than just themselves. And the bully is going to be the least hurt. Their family and friends all suffer for the rest of their lives.
I have a hard time feeling sorry for those people being bullied about being a little heavy. The way I look at it is... they would rather kill themselves then loose a little weight. But even on the other side if its real bad bullying its just as wrong to commit suicide. I would rather live and know that pisses off my enemies because I won't go away. Killing myself would make them happy and I don't want to see them happy.

Is every person who kills themselves a POS, or just little kids?

[DOC]

Is every person who kills themselves a POS, or just little kids?

I guess I would say if they do it for selfish reasons they are a POS. If in 5 or 10 years no one is going to care then its selfish. Its a chickenshit way out. However, there are exceptions; like end of life sort of thing.ETA: Ok I have always look at death like the great mercy. If your oppressed there is hope that those people will eventually die. And with them their tyranny. However, say you were encased in cement all the way except for your nose to breath and your mouth to eat and your lowerhalf to shoot and scoot. Suicide would be a relief to such a living hell. Same as if you were burried alive or shot into space. Death would be a gift to release you from that pain. Not because someone thinks you're weak or gay or doesn't like your face or whatever. We as a country should be stronger than that.
Suicide for status or to evade justice is wrong. Even if say I had a friend that was a felon and killed people and had classified emails on their server. Even if they killed themselves they would die like they lived. A POS. They denied their victims justice for the life of crime.

[DOC]

Is every person who kills themselves a POS, or just little kids?

Give me an example where they wouldn't be a POS for punching their own ticket. Please.

[DOC]

Thats the stance I took. Don't give them the satisfaction.

I hope you love yourself enough to choose the right one should live. I want my ending like Conan. Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!

[Great-Kazoo]

Give me an example where they wouldn't be a POS for punching their own ticket. Please.

No in full charge of their mental capacity. Sure you have a hard time processing that.
Not everyone who kills them self is a POS. It's the people around them who, after the fact say. Oh we thought something was off, or wrong with X. Yet those same people did nothing to intervene while that (what's that word again) POS was alive.

[DOC]

No in full charge of their mental capacity. Sure you have a hard time processing that.
Not everyone who kills them self is a POS. It's the people around them who, after the fact say. Oh we thought something was off, or wrong with X. Yet those same people did nothing to intervene while that (what's that word again) POS was alive.

I don't get it, sure. I would like to see fewer suicides. The last suicide that I was effected by was my son's grandfather on his moms side. He was sick and dying and he has never met my son. I asked his mom to call him and see if he wanted to meet him sometime. She said no, because he didn't like me and she was mad at him for (brat) reasons. A week later they found his body and said he was like that for a few days. When it first happened I thought it might have done him some good to meet his only grandchild before he died. Maybe saved a life. These days I am starting to think that maybe it saved my life. He might have taken a shot at me then killed himself since he was already thinking about it. I have no proof to back that assumption up though. I did hear that he didn't like me from my baby's momma and she lies about stuff you really don't think needs a lie about. So I should take it with a grain of salt.

Maybe it worked out better this way and even if it didn't it can't be helped now. Its too late now. And I heard he was a POS even though he was a crippled old man when I first met him.