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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski View Post
    Cool project & info.



    Edit: I'm mostly interested in the G19, and that is FAR more penetration than I'd expected.
    One of the BIG take-aways from all of this so far is; in general, pistol, PCC, SBR, rifle, shotgun.... 15 boards of penetration or more. So, if they are all penetrating about the same or slightly more, without trying to mitigate collateral damage from a miss by switching ammo to specialized bullets, why choose anything but the rifle? Even after the tests, the rifle was easier to mitigate damage with by choosing a Vmax bullet, why use the other gun platforms for home defense? I get rifle damage on a person and can still optimize the potential for collateral damage all from an AR-15. It gives me more rounds, easier aiming, better control, and better ammo. I'm carrying a lot of 40 and 55gr Vmax bullets in mags now, I'll tell you that for free.
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    Thanks for requested break down, and entire test overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    One of the BIG take-aways from all of this so far is; in general, pistol, PCC, SBR, rifle, shotgun.... 15 boards of penetration or more. So, if they are all penetrating about the same or slightly more, without trying to mitigate collateral damage from a miss by switching ammo to specialized bullets, why choose anything but the rifle? Even after the tests, the rifle was easier to mitigate damage with by choosing a Vmax bullet, why use the other gun platforms for home defense? I get rifle damage on a person and can still optimize the potential for collateral damage all from an AR-15. It gives me more rounds, easier aiming, better control, and better ammo. I'm carrying a lot of 40 and 55gr Vmax bullets in mags now, I'll tell you that for free.
    Yep, I think that is a very reasonable conclusion.
    I’ve thought similarly for a while when I saw a website making a case for the AR in home defense - and it came back to aiming and control largely. The thrust of the article was basically how the shotgun was a horrible choice.

    I’ve thought that for a while, and all that Joe Biden shotgun and “shoot through the door” stuff was a total head-shaker. I’m really going to leave that to my 130lb wife? C’mon. I like shooting clays, but c’mon.

    -But to your question, why choose anything else? For me personally, it is because I have a toddler so as much as I love ARs (and even more the AR builds), they are locked in the basement. And far and away most of my range time is the G19. But under other circumstances I agree completely with your findings.

    Super interesting stuff. Great work.
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