Shooting at School in Parkland, Florida

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I guess I missed it when Israel was removed as Sheriff. That guy was as slimy as they come, and I'm glad he finally got yanked.

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I guess I missed it when Israel was removed as Sheriff. That guy was as slimy as they come, and I'm glad he finally got yanked.

I keep hoping they find grounds to arrest and charge him as well.

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Would not in this instance be the population of the school?
I think regardless of previous interpretations this argument can be made.

I think part of the issue is with "public at large" vs individual is that individuals end up being harmed. I agree that's clearer in cases where individuals expect a superior level of protection than the greater public (i.e. personal security). We do that for politicians because of an enhanced threat.

Here's another example from NYC where LE hid from an attacker while he got stabby on a subway. Another case of "public at large" but the "no duty to protect" argument succeeded in dismissing the civil suit.

https://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-s...ubdued-killer/

Lozito says a grand-jury member later told him Howell (NYPD LEO) admitted on the stand*** that he hid during the attack because he thought Gelman had a gun.

But city lawyers are arguing that the police had no legal duty to protect Joseph Lozito, the Long Island dad stabbed seven times trying to subdue madman Maksim Gelman ? a courtroom maneuver the subway hero calls ?disgraceful.?

***LEOs had actually tried to take credit for the apprehension and were recognized as heroes by NYPD. Only to later admit they had lied.

Outcome...

http://gothamist.com/2013/07/26/subw...uit_agains.php

A man who was brutally stabbed by Brooklyn subway slasher Maksim Gelman two years ago had his negligence case against the city dismissed in court yesterday, despite the fact that two transit officers had locked themselves in a motorman's car only a few feet from him at the time of the attack.

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The city, meanwhile, claimed that the NYPD had no "special duty" to intervene at the time, and that they were in the motorman's car because they believed Gelman had a gun (skip: THEY HID IN THE CONDUCTOR'S CAB BEHIND A LOCKED DOOR!!!). And Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Margaret Chan has sided with the city, noting that there was no evidence the cops were aware Lozito was in danger at the time.

They thought the suspect, who they knew had murdered four people, had a gun in a subway car which is a danger to the public at large. In NYC guns are WMDs! It's obvious the LEOs knew the general public was at risk, but not the victim who is a member of the general public?

Turned out to be a knife and the inaction of LEOs resulted in Lozito getting slashed in the head.

BG had previously killed the four people in the 24 hours prior. So it's not unreasonable to assume that given LEO's inaction he would have continued to harm and murder members of the public had Lozito not have heroically subdued the BG by himself.

Now this was a civil case and the Peterson charges are criminal. But it doesn't seem likely that individual LEOs could have criminal liability over inaction/failure to protect and departments/cities not have civil liability with a lesser standard. These two things seem to be at odds.

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Scott Peterson is really turning out to be an unfortunate name, by the way.

Not as bad as being Mrs. Scott Peterson.

Maybe we should ban Scott Petersons? For the children...

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Silver lining I guess.

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I've heard from one talking head that the charges they're hoping will stick are basically to make cowardice a crime.

Good on them.

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2 more deputies fired after shooting at Florida high school

https://www.apnews.com/e8e616f81fec41c08d179426f24b2064

PARKLAND, Fla. (AP) — Two additional deputies have been fired as a result of an internal affairs investigation into the agency’s response to the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland that killed 17 people, the Broward County sheriff said Wednesday.

At a brief news conference, Sheriff Gregory Tony said deputies Edward Eason and Josh Stambaugh were fired Tuesday for their inaction following the Feb. 14, 2018, shooting. He did not provide details but said a lengthy report would be released later.

“In essence, it was neglect of duty. We lost 17 people,” Tony said.

Two other deputies were fired earlier this month for neglect of duty. One of those was school resource officer Scot Peterson, who was also arrested on charges of child neglect, culpable negligence and perjury. Peterson’s lawyer has said he will fight the charges.

The sheriff said no action was taken on three other deputies who were involved in the investigation.

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So Sheriff Israel and now a total four deputies have all been term'd (if I'm reading this correctly). Petersen is the only one charged.

The "neglect of duty" wasn't because "we lost 17 people," that is a horrible outcome but you just hang that on the responders, it was due to specific actions that I'm sure would outrage the country if we knew the full details. And those details were hidden while gun control legislation was passed. This is how Florida got ERPO (red flag) which inspired the same "law" here.

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After chaotic handling of Parkland, airport mass shootings, BSO loses its accreditation

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...232140297.html

The loss of accreditation — a voluntary certification sought by law enforcement agencies — won’t affect BSO’s operations in a major way. But it is a further blow to the agency’s prestige at a time when a new command staff, including a new sheriff, are dealing with a string of failures and questionable conduct by deputies.

The Commission for Florida Law Enforcement Accreditation (CFA) cited BSO’s mishandling of the Parkland school shooting last year and the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport shooting in 2017 as reasons for its decision in a 13-0 vote last week.

Both incidents were marked by chaotic and disorganized responses from the sheriff’s office. Seventeen people died at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting on Feb. 14, 2018, including some who were waiting for rescue as BSO deputies took cover, put on body armor and struggled to find the building where the massacre had taken place. Then-Broward Sheriff Scott Israel, a Democrat, defended his agency but was suspended from office by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis.

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I can't read the article on the linked website due to them demanding that I disable my ad blocker.

Is the fact that a Dem sheriff (that tried to avert blame and responsibility for helping create the problem of allowing a repeat offender to legally purchase a firearm) was suspended by a Rep a problem? Or is the fact that the gov. had to take that action the problem and their party affiliation was just supplemental info?

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I can't read the article on the linked website due to them demanding that I disable my ad blocker.

Is the fact that a Dem sheriff (that tried to avert blame and responsibility for helping create the problem of allowing a repeat offender to legally purchase a firearm) was suspended by a Rep a problem? Or is the fact that the gov. had to take that action the problem and their party affiliation was just supplemental info?

I think *maybe* they are trying to signal that this could be political in spite of there being serious apolitical problems with the department.

To me it's relevant because this turd went straight to narrative as soon as he could to attack Americans rather than fix his own shit. Had he not have done that, the (D) wouldn't matter to me personally.