Shooting at School in Parkland, Florida

[Irving]

Why does something have to be common place before people are upset about it?

"Man beats his wife to death in front of their 5 children." -some made up headline.

What's the big deal? Out of that family of 7, only one person died.


I understand that it was fashionable to point out the statistics in the face of defending 2A rights when this first started happening. We need to be careful not to be too cavalier about the numbers. The entire student body, and staff, and immediate family members are all likely irreversibly damaged by being present during the murder of others, and possibly narrowly escaping their own. The tragedy certainly expands well beyond the body count. I don't want to down play suicides either, as many of those families will take them just as hard as school shootings. More than one terrible thing can happen at once, but it doesn't mean that any of them deserve less attention. That's my current position anyway.

[KevDen2005]

Why does something have to be common place before people are upset about it?

"Man beats his wife to death in front of their 5 children." -some made up headline.

What's the big deal? Out of that family of 7, only one person died.


I understand that it was fashionable to point out the statistics in the face of defending 2A rights when this first started happening. We need to be careful not to be too cavalier about the numbers. The entire student body, and staff, and immediate family members are all likely irreversibly damaged by being present during the murder of others, and possibly narrowly escaping their own. The tragedy certainly expands well beyond the body count. I don't want to down play suicides either, as many of those families will take them just as hard as school shootings. More than one terrible thing can happen at once, but it doesn't mean that any of them deserve less attention. That's my current position anyway.

Well under the 20 percent mark therefore an acceptable loss. The family is still combat effective.

[KevDen2005]

9 News posted an article about how the 18 shootings is not accurate. Kind of impressive, especially coming from them. Not sure if this same article was already posted.

http://www.9news.com/article/news/lo...e/73-519852508

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Why isn’t the MSM concerned with medial errors?

http://www.romans322.com/daily-death...statistics.php

Pharmacist humor. Except not really.

[CoGirl303]

Y'know, with the red hair and expression on his face when the cops had him down on the ground, this guy reminded me of the Joker character on "Gotham" ... anyone else get a chill down their back looking at him?
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he has that same crazy, lost in space look in his eyes that James Holmes had.

The problem with the medications is probably not so much the medications (they can have a side effect of suicidal idealization) but rather that they are also prescribed to treat people who cannot be treated. Socio's are often prescribed SSRI's + anti-anxiety + anti-seizure medication (the latter is not for seizures). This doesn't treat them, it just usually makes them more complacent or harder to identify as an evil little shit, but doesn't change who they are. And our society is growing more of them, statistically. The self-esteem movement starting in the 90's, coupled with the "everyone is a celebrity" social media scene has indirectly lead to the increase. So rather than institutionalize people we know are violent and lacking all empathy, we give them medication and think the band-aid will hold. Then, blame the medication.

It's not video games, it's not guns, it's not medication. It's not abused children, or family circumstances, or bullying.

It's nature and nurture, people with a genetic predisposition coupled with our "self-first" society that is pumping shitbird socio's out at a rate approaching 5% of the population, whom have a permanently broken prefrontal cortex, and contrary to the liberals "every bad person must have a tragic story" logic; the only finger that can be pointed is on society coddling children, and the court's protecting them under varying precedents going back to institutionalization.

For the record, most Asian countries have virtually no Cluster-B/Anti-social personality disorder/sociopath. But they also don't give a crap about your self esteem. For this reason, science leans towards nurture being the more determining factor, although it does have genetic progression.

ETA: And some Asian countries (e.g. China) also tend to execute their bad actors pretty early on, so there is that possibility as well.

40-50 years ago psych docs weren't doping kids up the way they are today. (30 years ago I was in the 2nd grade...damn I feel old).

If alcohol can alter a persons state of mind and behavior, I can only shudder at the thought of what some of these medications are doing to these kids minds.

Mental illness is very real, and Dr. Breggin has spent years researching the effects of anti-psychotics and their effects on young people's minds. The chemicals in these things are so damaging.

But I agree with a lot of what you said too.


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[hollohas]

Why does something have to be common place before people are upset about it?

Why can't someone point out the fact that it's irrational to demand sweeping legal changes based on a statistically insignificant number of deaths without being characterized as not being upset?

I am very upset when any child is killed. I read about children being killed every single day in the news. Some are killed in horrific ways that actually brings tears to my eyes. Humans can be downright evil. That will always be the case. But it sure appears that the vast majority of this country gets far more upset at the weapon used than they do at the actual fact a child was killed.

When one side wants to argue that an event or events are reason enough to demand MAJOR legal changes that cut right to the heart of this country's founding principals and chooses to focus on one particular cause for these events, then yeah, it's ok to point out that their reasoning is flawed by using facts and percentages. And that perhaps their hypocrisy shows their outrage is a bit less than genuine.

Yes, it's upsetting. But the fact remains that it's extremely uncommon. If we as a society don't demand changes for something that happens a lot, then how can we possibly justify demanding changes for something that happens almost never?

PS - I seriously can't understand why we even have this conversation each time this happens. If we as a nation were truly concerned with children losing their lives, there are a lot more significant causes we should be talking about.

[DOC]

Half as many people died texting while driving compared to guns.

[KevDen2005]

Half as many people died texting while driving compared to guns.

In some cases it may be extremely hard to actually determine if someone was texting immediately prior to a crash. And is this the death of the person texting only or all crashes involving a driver texting and a fatality in one of the involved vehicles?

[Grant H.]

I just learned that there have been 288 killed in the last 10 years in school shootings (0 to 24 year olds, college included). But the same age group had more than 56,000 suicides in the last 10 years. The MSM is focused on the wrong problem.

Suicide is part of the "Plan". Given the responses to the Logan Paul video from Japan, our "modern society" has obviously accepted and elevated the act of suicide to be "part of the plan"...

As stupid as it sounds, I can quote a super hero movie here:

"Nobody panic's when things go according to plan. Even if the plan is horrifying!" - The Joker, The Dark Knight (2008)

Guns, and violent acts committed by mentally ill people with them, do not fit in the plan.

Hence panic for statistically small events, and silence for statistically larger events...

[CoGirl303]

I guess I dont understand what demolishing the building does?

Patch the holes, paint the walls, sanitize and carry on.

But no, they want to destroy a perfectly good building. If I'm being "insensitive" forgive me because I don't see logic in this at all.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/16...cial-says.html


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