Trump moves on bump stocks.

[Irving]

Curious......Exactly what would one need to buy before 2020, that they didn't pick up in 16 fearing HRC was elected?

ToldYouSo noise cancelling headphones?

[Bailey Guns]

***DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT support Trump's position on bump-stocks nor do I support the NRA's position on bump-stocks. I DO NOT support Trump's misguided and ignorant comments on due process. Let's be clear on that.***

Having said that, I also don't agree this signals a shift in Trump's general attitude towards governing. I don't think this proves in any way that he's really a closet liberal, despite his background. To believe that you have to ignore everything he's done since being elected. Despite his comments and position on bump-stocks, he is night and day different than what Obama was or what HRC would've been. It's not a matter of "there's no difference between them". There's a great deal of difference.

Right or wrong, Trump's comments and position are in response to another in a long list of national tragedies. It's not his position in general. If we weren't in the midst of trying to deal with how to effectively stop mass shootings we most likely wouldn't be having this conversation. Again...I'm not saying it's right and I'm not defending him. I'm just trying to keep things in context.

Your average progressive/democrat/liberal wants your guns regardless of what's happened...it's just everyday business for them. I honestly don't think that's Trump's position.

I bought a SlideFire stock and still have it. I paid good money for it and I have a copy of a letter from the government telling me it's OK to have it. I'll be damned if I'm gonna just hand it in because some bureaucrat tells me I have to. It's not that I care about the piece of plastic...I care about the principle. I care about what's right and wrong with government. I also care that the left won't be happy with conning Trump into taking just that piece of plastic from me. The left is the enemy. Make no mistake. This sort of thing is gonna happen until the enemy has been defeated.

But this is a real dilemma for me. I still believe that Trump is probably the best thing to happen to the presidency during my lifetime, despite his stance on bump-stocks and due process (which needs also to be taken in context of trying to prevent something which most likely can't really be prevented...regardless of how misguided it is). On balance Trump will do far more good for the gun cause than bad. So I'm not willing to throw out the baby with the bath water...yet. I feel the same towards the NRA. Their position on "further regulations" on bump stocks is pretty indefensible. But that doesn't mean they don't do good for the cause elsewhere. Purity and perfection are pretty difficult to achieve.

[bellavite1]

***DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT support Trump's position on bump-stocks nor do I support the NRA's position on bump-stocks. I DO NOT support Trump's misguided and ignorant comments on due process. Let's be clear on that.***

Having said that, I also don't agree this signals a shift in Trump's general attitude towards governing. I don't think this proves in any way that he's really a closet liberal, despite his background. To believe that you have to ignore everything he's done since being elected. Despite his comments and position on bump-stocks, he is night and day different than what Obama was or what HRC would've been. It's not a matter of "there's no difference between them". There's a great deal of difference.

Right or wrong, Trump's comments and position are in response to another in a long list of national tragedies. It's not his position in general. If we weren't in the midst of trying to deal with how to effectively stop mass shootings we most likely wouldn't be having this conversation. Again...I'm not saying it's right and I'm not defending him. I'm just trying to keep things in context.

Your average progressive/democrat/liberal wants your guns regardless of what's happened...it's just everyday business for them. I honestly don't think that's Trump's position.

I bought a SlideFire stock and still have it. I paid good money for it and I have a copy of a letter from the government telling me it's OK to have it. I'll be damned if I'm gonna just hand it in because some bureaucrat tells me I have to. It's not that I care about the piece of plastic...I care about the principle. I care about what's right and wrong with government. I also care that the left won't be happy with conning Trump into taking just that piece of plastic from me. The left is the enemy. Make no mistake. This sort of thing is gonna happen until the enemy has been defeated.

But this is a real dilemma for me. I still believe that Trump is probably the best thing to happen to the presidency during my lifetime, despite his stance on bump-stocks and due process (which needs also to be taken in context of trying to prevent something which most likely can't really be prevented...regardless of how misguided it is). On balance Trump will do far more good for the gun cause than bad. So I'm not willing to throw out the baby with the bath water...yet. I feel the same towards the NRA. Their position on "further regulations" on bump stocks is pretty indefensible. But that doesn't mean they don't do good for the cause elsewhere. Purity and perfection are pretty difficult to achieve.

Ditto.
Believe it or not there are other things on the table besides guns:
Repeal Obamacare, military resolve, economy, immigration, etc etc.
I believe he was forced in this tight spot either by good timing or deliberate strategy to alienate his base, and we are falling for it...

[Great-Kazoo]

AND I BELIEVE Pressure from all sides is going to put more things in jeopardy. I've said it to other forum members. One possibly 2 serious shootings and Trump will sign almost anything that hits his desk.



But.............he's still better than HRC, who would have done something regardless of a shooting or not.

[Irving]

All the news this morning is about the White House backing off the stance of changing the legal age to purchase, and doubling down on arming teachers.

[Bailey Guns]

Just heard that. The news I heard was the age thing was due to lack of support and pending lawsuits.

[CoGirl303]

***DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT support Trump's position on bump-stocks nor do I support the NRA's position on bump-stocks. I DO NOT support Trump's misguided and ignorant comments on due process. Let's be clear on that.***

Having said that, I also don't agree this signals a shift in Trump's general attitude towards governing. I don't think this proves in any way that he's really a closet liberal, despite his background. To believe that you have to ignore everything he's done since being elected. Despite his comments and position on bump-stocks, he is night and day different than what Obama was or what HRC would've been. It's not a matter of "there's no difference between them". There's a great deal of difference.

Right or wrong, Trump's comments and position are in response to another in a long list of national tragedies. It's not his position in general. If we weren't in the midst of trying to deal with how to effectively stop mass shootings we most likely wouldn't be having this conversation. Again...I'm not saying it's right and I'm not defending him. I'm just trying to keep things in context.

Your average progressive/democrat/liberal wants your guns regardless of what's happened...it's just everyday business for them. I honestly don't think that's Trump's position.

I bought a SlideFire stock and still have it. I paid good money for it and I have a copy of a letter from the government telling me it's OK to have it. I'll be damned if I'm gonna just hand it in because some bureaucrat tells me I have to. It's not that I care about the piece of plastic...I care about the principle. I care about what's right and wrong with government. I also care that the left won't be happy with conning Trump into taking just that piece of plastic from me. The left is the enemy. Make no mistake. This sort of thing is gonna happen until the enemy has been defeated.

But this is a real dilemma for me. I still believe that Trump is probably the best thing to happen to the presidency during my lifetime, despite his stance on bump-stocks and due process (which needs also to be taken in context of trying to prevent something which most likely can't really be prevented...regardless of how misguided it is). On balance Trump will do far more good for the gun cause than bad. So I'm not willing to throw out the baby with the bath water...yet. I feel the same towards the NRA. Their position on "further regulations" on bump stocks is pretty indefensible. But that doesn't mean they don't do good for the cause elsewhere. Purity and perfection are pretty difficult to achieve.

well said and I conccur with your sentiments entirely.

Trump has accomplished more in a year than any of the last 10 presidents accomplished in their entire 4 or 8 years in office.

Just heard that. The news I heard was the age thing was due to lack of support and pending lawsuits.

It is good to know they are still afraid of lawsuits.


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[Bailey Guns]

To be clear, it was to see how lawsuits in progress turned out. I don't know specifically which one's they're talking about.

[Joe_K]

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[Bailey Guns]

The only people who think utopia is possible more than democrats are libertarians. That's why the Libertarian party is so powerful today.