Boulder AR-15 Ban

[boxy]

I guess it'll be up to the courts then. Did Dudley ever show up?

[Ramsker]

Well . . . no surprise there. It was never NOT going to pass. Hopefully gets challenged in courts and knocked down--but I'm not holding my breath. I generally avoid Boulder as much as possible. One more reason to keep doing that.

Thanks for the effort for those who went to speak on bahalf of gun owners.

[Singlestack]

Part of the problem with the effectiveness of our side is these anti-gun hearings is the short time limit (2 min) you have to speak, and the effectiveness of making a canned speech like most do. In my opinion, the most effective use of the time is to refute incorrect or misleading things said by the other side. For example, some guy talked about the Virginia Tech Shooter having high capacity magazines. In reality, she shooter (Cho) had 10 round magazines for his P22, and likely not more than 15 rounders for his G19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho. Another person mentioned that 6 students escaped from Parkland when the shooter reloaded. I hadn't read anything about that, but the impression this left with the sheep is that by making sure (since mass murderers always follow the laws) active shooters can't use more than 10 round magazines, more victims will be spared when they pause to reload. This type of reasoning is what fills their heads and needs to be countered immediately - during the "hearing". In reality, magazine limits hinder law abiding more than the mass murderers since mass murderers can bring as many mags as they way, use NY reloads, and are usually in a gun-free zone of their own choosing and won't have anyone firing back for some time.

Relative to facts and firearms, the city council are as ignorant as sheep. Ignorant people simply don't know what they don't know, and are willing to accept as fact what they hear from like-minded people. By not countering directly what is feeding their fears, in their mind they are doing what is right and responsible and may have some positive effect on future body counts. It takes those who are more articulate than me to make a dent in their thinking in 2 minutes by speaking off the cuff in this way without a prepared speech - a tall order in my opinion. Few are good at that, and the speakers who were speaking off the cuff last night were almost all jumbled, disorganized, and very far from persuasive.

[DenverGP]

Part of the problem with the effectiveness of our side is these anti-gun hearings

The real problem is it's all theater. In each case, the decision is over and done with long before these public meetings, and this is just so they claim it's democracy. You could have Abraham Lincoln or Winston Churchill arguing for our side and it wouldn't change anything.

[sellersm]

The real problem is it's all theater. In each case, the decision is over and done with long before these public meetings, and this is just so they claim it's democracy. You could have Abraham Lincoln or Winston Churchill arguing for our side and it wouldn't change anything.

Participatory fascism. We've been over this and over this. There is no 'will of the people'. It's all a sham. Period. The system is in place and will continue to thrive until the appointed time of its end... I suggest people vote with their feet and move out if they don't like what's going on. And pray. A lot.

[Singlestack]

I was in the library watching this. The first hour or so was the city attorney reviewing the first reading text and giving his opinion of what it meant and the city council asking questions to the city attorney. Each citizen had only 2 minutes to make their point - which goes by very fast when you are presenting facts. Many of the libs were wearing bright orange T shirts - couldn't see what they said on them. They were all hung up about giving the appearance the measure wasn't anti-gun by including a provision that the new law won't apply to those who are members of competitive shooting clubs. So apparently all you need to do is start your own shooting club and invite your friends.

The councilors truly do not understand firearms at all. One asked what a "suppressor" was, and another asked if a conventional rifle stock included a pistol grip! And these people are, among themselves (without a vote), enacting laws the boulderites will be subjected to. I left after the city attorney wouldn't answer the lady who asked if they were going to put it on the ballot so people could vote on it. Nope, just plain ol tyranny. Given how bat***t crrazy my city council is (Lafayette), I fully expect them to adopt Boulder's stupid ordnance at some point. The only thing in our favor is they are 100% consumed with the whole anti-fracking movement right now and gun control may not be enough of a shiny object.

[.455_Hunter]

I am not saying it won't get passed, but this was first reading. It's not law yet.

[kidicarus13]

I haven't had time to watch it yet. So which proposal were they pushing?

1.) Ban sales only
2.] Ban sales and possession with grandfathering and registration
3.) Ban sales and possession with no grandfathering but with exceptions

Mags limited to 10rds?

[boxy]

I haven't had time to watch it yet. So which proposal were they pushing?

1.) Ban sales only
2.] Ban sales and possession with grandfathering and registration
3.) Ban sales and possession with no grandfathering but with exceptions

Mags limited to 10rds?

The proposal seems to be number 2. Mags are limited to 10 rounds... one confusing thing is that pistol mags over 10 seem to be exempted in one part of the proposal... but they're also included in another part? I believe someone spoke to that.

[Hummer]

The Boulder city council is the perfect convergence of ignorance, arrogance and evil. In a just world they would all be hanged for treason.