Boulder AR-15 Ban

[boxy]

I don't like any of that. Is the list for higher bar for ownership mean that one has to satisfy everything on that list, or just one? Either way, not a single item on that list determines that someone isn't a total shitbag.

Just one. And you may be right, you may not, but it's something to give the antis to remove registration.

Personally, I'm for this. If something must be done, then let it be at least a little reasonable.

[DOC]

So take a bite of the sandwhich and leave the peanuts (sesame seeds) out and not call it eating the whole thing? This state needs an enema.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

What about mags?

I don't live there, I don't have 'skin' in the game, I don't know who is negotiating and how much power they have.

I say that you support getting as much saved as you can with the minimum number of votes. That might not be popular among some. I understand the no-not anything position, because as soon as you make this deal, they will be back.

They always will be back, but I'd rather have something than nothing.

To me, the things in order you want to avoid are

Out-right ban
Registration
Mag limits

I don't know where the whole AWB thing will end up at after SCOTUS decides. Rational readers of precedent and logic would say that AWBs would be struck down, probably with the court we have- yes if Kennedy or a lib is replaced. If AWBs stand, we might be begging for a baby NFA or CCW type 'license' to keep our stuff.

I think that things like this are elitist and a bit classist when it comes to mandating resources to keep our basic rights. But that is reality. We have had too many sh!t heads act out with guns- and blame and rationale can be laid in a lot of places outside of gun ownership- but we live in democracies at the local level. If their push to do 'something' can be confined to do the least amount of damage- all the better.

If you can leave the state mag level BS and have the deal above- that would be an improvement over the current BS.

BTW- the moratorium is a dead fish offer- it kind of stinks. You can't bind future council decisions, as far as I understand. You can put it in the law, but it would be like saying that no one can sue to try to get this overturned.

Especially if it leaves mags out of it, it is this is like being molested under your clothes versus raped in the other version. If it pushes people to get their CCW, mores the better.

Be wary of people outside of Boulder that might trash the deal. Really easy to do when your crap isn't on the line.

Wasn't that mass murderer in CA a cop? (not to rag on cops), but I still haven't found a mass shooter or murderer that was an NRA member.

[Irving]

If there is ever a "mass" shooting in Boulder while this is in effect, it should immediately be repealed since it's clearly not working and is instead an unnecessary burden on the rights of the people.

[Great-Kazoo]

Why do people who have serious out of state money (moms demand strip club Action) have any say or right to be at anyone's table, except their own.? Also what qualifications does a group of never been around guns except for a photo op bring to the table.

[boxy]

What about mags?

There is nothing in the proposal restricting magazine size in any way. It doesn't even appear in the document outside of the definition of "Assault Weapon".

Be wary of people outside of Boulder that might trash the deal. Really easy to do when your crap isn't on the line.

This is one thing I am worried about. Things are very fragile right now after the rally completely backfired.

Why do people who have serious out of state money (moms demand strip club Action) have any say or right to be at anyone's table, except their own.?

I think their comments about non-Boulder residents speaking at the hearing are extremely hypocritical, and would be hilarious if people didn't eat that shit up.

[Great-Kazoo]

What about mags?

I don't live there, I don't have 'skin' in the game, I don't know who is negotiating and how much power they have.

I say that you support getting as much saved as you can with the minimum number of votes. That might not be popular among some. I understand the no-not anything position, because as soon as you make this deal, they will be back.

They always will be back, but I'd rather have something than nothing.

To me, the things in order you want to avoid are

Out-right ban
Registration
Mag limits

I don't know where the whole AWB thing will end up at after SCOTUS decides. Rational readers of precedent and logic would say that AWBs would be struck down, probably with the court we have- yes if Kennedy or a lib is replaced. If AWBs stand, we might be begging for a baby NFA or CCW type 'license' to keep our stuff.

I think that things like this are elitist and a bit classist when it comes to mandating resources to keep our basic rights. But that is reality. We have had too many sh!t heads act out with guns- and blame and rationale can be laid in a lot of places outside of gun ownership- but we live in democracies at the local level. If their push to do 'something' can be confined to do the least amount of damage- all the better.

If you can leave the state mag level BS and have the deal above- that would be an improvement over the current BS.

BTW- the moratorium is a dead fish offer- it kind of stinks. You can't bind future council decisions, as far as I understand. You can put it in the law, but it would be like saying that no one can sue to try to get this overturned.

Especially if it leaves mags out of it, it is this is like being molested under your clothes versus raped in the other version. If it pushes people to get their CCW, mores the better.

Be wary of people outside of Boulder that might trash the deal. Really easy to do when your crap isn't on the line.

Wasn't that mass murderer in CA a cop? (not to rag on cops), but I still haven't found a mass shooter or murderer that was an NRA member.

If you believe or think the jackal is content to walk away from the carcass with it only 1/2 eaten, you're fooling yourself. This isn't about "concessions" from the anti-gun side.
This is part of what i call the Anti-gun 5 yr plan. Or as others call it Death by 1000 cuts.
Sure we'll agree to these modest proposals, now. You get this Kennedy or Polis as .gov. What Boulder will sign off (wink, wink) on is merely the beginning

[.455_Hunter]

Are those people brokering the "deal" from the 2A side also agreeing not to sue based on pre-emption?

[thedave1164]

Shall not be infringed, will not comply.

What do people not understand, this is not a compromise, the left is not giving up anything, they gain everything and the 2nd is infringed yet again under the myth of "compromise"

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

If you believe or think the jackal is content to walk away from the carcass with it only 1/2 eaten, you're fooling yourself. This isn't about "concessions" from the anti-gun side.
This is part of what i call the Anti-gun 5 yr plan. Or as others call it Death by 1000 cuts.
Sure we'll agree to these modest proposals, now. You get this Kennedy or Polis as .gov. What Boulder will sign off (wink, wink) on is merely the beginning

YAA!!!!!! Rah-rah. I just waved an American flag and light of a party popper.

Now back to reality playing out in real time.

You want to lose it all or only some. This is democracy (ETA: at the local level). You get what you can get with 50%+1 vote. What you say is exactly true, but this isn't like the national game where you have two sides to play against each other- and we hold the majority. This is 100% against us and they could vote in CA/NJ/NY level of stupidity if they wanted to.

That would show them!!!! ???? You willing to live under the same restrictions as Boulder if the 'deal' doesn't pass? I'd love to have this deal in Denver, better than what we have.

Elections have consequences. The reps we have will vote the way they want. We could all wish it wasn't this way, but this is reality. Until you get a SCOTUS decision that lays down sharp lines, keep as much as you can as long as you can. Someone else can be the test case. Northbridgelakepark or whatever in Chicago is a great one.

I really think there isn't a deal. I don't know why they would make one. When Bloomberg's people hear about it, they will come down HARD on anyone not toeing the line. Happened in Denver when there was a consensus on council for the smallest of a moderation on the 15 round confiscation.

You realize that Bloomberg's people would see this as a huge victory for the gun rights side?

Fondled or raped?

I'm all about the foreplay.