Boulder AR-15 Ban

[def90]

I got an interesting response to my email that I sent to the Boulder City Council

“Hi Dave,

I share your concerns on this ordinance.
If you read the paper this morning, it is stating false information that there were many more supporters of the bill, when in fact, 80 people opposed the bill to only 30 in support of it. It was also not clear, that what we passed just gave us the option to discuss the ordinance being proposed at a later date because it was so late.

My hope, is that if people want this to move forward, they will attempt to get the signatures required to put it on the ballot for people to vote, rather than Council making the decisions.
Thank you for being involved. You are always welcome to email Council at Council@bouldercolorado.gov as well.

Kind regards,
Mirabai Nagle
Boulder City Council “

Yeah, I get the feeling that a couple of the members know they are overstepping and are starting to feel the pressure and are looking for a way to get out of the jam they created and still somehow save face. There are a number of prominent business people and residents that are very much against this and have not come out publicly for fear of public backlash. I have a feeling some people are putting on pressure in other ways. Boulder might be the laughing stock of the country but there are a lot of closet liberal gun nuts here.

And yes, the vote last night just allows them to continue the discussion.

one thing they have to ponder is that the city has 85000 voting age residents and the turn out in the last election was something in the high 80% range and the most votes any council member got was a little over 5000, they do not represent the people here in any way.

[CoGirl303]

Part of the problem with the effectiveness of our side is these anti-gun hearings is the short time limit (2 min) you have to speak, and the effectiveness of making a canned speech like most do. In my opinion, the most effective use of the time is to refute incorrect or misleading things said by the other side. For example, some guy talked about the Virginia Tech Shooter having high capacity magazines. In reality, she shooter (Cho) had 10 round magazines for his P22, and likely not more than 15 rounders for his G19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho. Another person mentioned that 6 students escaped from Parkland when the shooter reloaded. I hadn't read anything about that, but the impression this left with the sheep is that by making sure (since mass murderers always follow the laws) active shooters can't use more than 10 round magazines, more victims will be spared when they pause to reload. This type of reasoning is what fills their heads and needs to be countered immediately - during the "hearing". In reality, magazine limits hinder law abiding more than the mass murderers since mass murderers can bring as many mags as they way, use NY reloads, and are usually in a gun-free zone of their own choosing and won't have anyone firing back for some time.

Relative to facts and firearms, the city council are as ignorant as sheep. Ignorant people simply don't know what they don't know, and are willing to accept as fact what they hear from like-minded people. By not countering directly what is feeding their fears, in their mind they are doing what is right and responsible and may have some positive effect on future body counts. It takes those who are more articulate than me to make a dent in their thinking in 2 minutes by speaking off the cuff in this way without a prepared speech - a tall order in my opinion. Few are good at that, and the speakers who were speaking off the cuff last night were almost all jumbled, disorganized, and very far from persuasive.

no need to disrespect sheep now you hear? They serve a valid purpose. These wool socks I'm wearing are nice warm. So is the blanket I sleep under.

The lemmings you refer to on the other hand...disrespect away.

Until the same thing happens in your local city council next month.

I think he was referring to the scenery and mountains surrounding Boulder as the "reality".


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[wctriumph]

Boulder, CO; 26 square miles surrounded by reality.

[hatidua]

Boulder, CO; 26 square miles surrounded by reality.

No disrespect, and I realize that phrase is merely parroting something that has been said for nearly a century about almost every university town in the country. However, I'll step up and be the bearer of sad news: the recent gun control push in Boulder, including last night, was years after many of us stood at the capitol, wrote countless letters and made untold numbers of phone calls trying to prevent the statewide gun control laws that were enacted in 2013. If the rest of CO resembled the laws in Wyoming/South Carolina/et al, I'd grant you some validity to a phrase that is as worn out as "sorry your gal lost", but the "reality" is that Colorado laws aren't trending toward the idealistic freedom-loving West that many may have once known. This state is rapidly becoming California 2.0 and while I'm not happy about that, that, is the reality.

I'm trying to do what I can on my end, but pushing an incoming tide is omminous.

[sellersm]

No disrespect, and I realize that phrase is merely parroting something that has been said for nearly a century about almost every university town in the country. However, I'll step up and be the bearer of sad news: the recent gun control push in Boulder, including last night, was years after many of us stood at the capitol, wrote countless letters and made untold numbers of phone calls trying to prevent the statewide gun control laws that were enacted in 2013. If the rest of CO resembled the laws in Wyoming/South Carolina/et al, I'd grant you some validity to a phrase that is as worn out as "sorry your gal lost", but the "reality" is that Colorado laws aren't trending toward the idealistic freedom-loving West that many may have once known. This state is rapidly becoming California 2.0 and while I'm not happy about that, that, is the reality.

I'm trying to do what I can on my end, but pushing an incoming tide is omminous.

Quoted for truth.

Serious question: what State has reversed such a trend as this, given the same legislative makeup as CO and travelled as far down the road to tyranny as we have travelled?


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[def90]

Boulder, CO; 26 square miles surrounded by reality.

In general yes, that is the truth.. as well as the Village Coffee Shop is 890sqft surrounder by Boulder.

Boulder is an enigma. Yes it's a liberal bastion but in reality I have met tons of pro gun 2A people here. Boulder may lean left but at the same time the core is very classic liberal in terms of personal freedoms, independence, and big government stay out of my life.

In the last 10 years the Californians have taken over a bit but there has been push back. Googles new building had bricks thrown through a few of the windows a couple weeks ago and now a few of the new Council Members are finding out that the locals as liberal as they are aren't going to take this without a fight.

I know a Council member personally so I have a connection that can't ignore me as.if Inwas blasting out a random email. This member was disappointed by the lack of knowledge that the city attorney displayed last night.

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[thedave1164]

In general yes, that is the truth.. as well as the Village Coffee Shop is 890sqft surrounder by Boulder.

Boulder is an enigma. Yes it's a liberal bastion but in reality I have met tons of pro gun 2A people here. Boulder may lean left but at the same time the core is very classic liberal in terms of personal freedoms, independence, and big government stay out of my life.

In the last 10 years the Californians have taken over a bit but there has been push back. Googles new building had bricks thrown through a few of the windows a couple weeks ago and now a few of the new Council Members are finding out that the locals as liberal as they are aren't going to take this without a fight.

I know a Council member personally so I have a connection that can't ignore me as.if Inwas blasting out a random email. This member was disappointed by the lack of knowledge that the city attorney displayed last night.

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The City Attorney May be the best friend we have, clearly there were those that were not impressed, I also have it on good authority that he is not highly regarded amongst his peers

[hurley842002]

No disrespect, and I realize that phrase is merely parroting something that has been said for nearly a century about almost every university town in the country. However, I'll step up and be the bearer of sad news: the recent gun control push in Boulder, including last night, was years after many of us stood at the capitol, wrote countless letters and made untold numbers of phone calls trying to prevent the statewide gun control laws that were enacted in 2013. If the rest of CO resembled the laws in Wyoming/South Carolina/et al, I'd grant you some validity to a phrase that is as worn out as "sorry your gal lost", but the "reality" is that Colorado laws aren't trending toward the idealistic freedom-loving West that many may have once known. This state is rapidly becoming California 2.0 and while I'm not happy about that, that, is the reality.

I'm trying to do what I can on my end, but pushing an incoming tide is omminous.

Good post!

[def90]

The City Attorney May be the best friend we have, clearly there were those that were not impressed, I also have it on good authority that he is not highly regarded amongst his peers

Yeah, if he would be the one representing Boulder he would be torn apart in a minute.

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[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Serious question: what State has reversed such a trend as this, given the same legislative makeup as CO and travelled as far down the road to tyranny as we have travelled?

Wisconsin has moved right in terms of gun laws quite a bit from when I moved away 20 years ago.