Boulder AR-15 Ban

[.455_Hunter]

Still bullshit, and unenforceable under the current CRS.

True.

[crays]

So they're softening you up by making it a toothless law...

It is still a major win for them if it passes, even if it does absolutely nothing about what its supposed "intent" is. The true intent (read: Long Game) is to backdoor ALL gun owners of their rights. Future efforts will not be toothless. Incrementalism and normalization is their forte.

[.455_Hunter]

No a fan of making people pay to access essential liberties, but that door has already been beaten open.

[Will1776]

So CCW holders are exempt from everything, including registration? Interesting.

I am still against any regulation that infringes, but this certainly makes living in Boulder more palatable. You shouldn't have to pay $152 to exercise a right. I did, but that was because I wanted to carry a concealed handgun if I choose to.

This is what they did in my home state of CT. You need a permit there to buy ammo or even a 22 rifle which, including the training requirements can run up to 2-300 dollars and 60 days of waiting after submitting your paperwork. Pistol permit there became the defacto all around "gun permit" there.

[CoGirl303]

Some additional info gleaned from a little birdie...

As expected, the ordnance does not apply to non-city residents in vehicles passing through Boulder with legally owned firearms or magazines of any type, no matter what they do in Boulder- just keep your stuff in your car.

As expected, the ordinance does not apply to persons carrying any legal handgun on a concealed carry permit. So your G17 with pre-6/13 17 rd mags are fine. Your AR pistol in a backpack with lawfully owned 30 rd mags would be fine.

Here is the kicker- They are looking at adding an exemption for anyone with a Colorado honored concealed carry permit from the entire ordnance. This would be a way for current gun owning Boulder city residents (many of whom probably already have their permit) to continue business as usual. The Sheriff's permit office would get real busy, but that's another discussion.

Your thoughts?

so does that apply to only current permit holders as sort of a "grandfather clause situation" or will they allow new permit holders to be exempt after it passes as well?




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[.455_Hunter]

so does that apply to only current permit holders as sort of a "grandfather clause situation" or will they allow new permit holders to be exempt after it passes as well?

My understanding it would be for current and future permit holders. For what its worth, they like the additional "vetting" of the permit process, and realize that people with permits are not the ones to be worried about. Again, this is their thought process, not mine.

[Ah Pook]

Also there’s supposed to be an event called “Rally For Our Rights” in Boulder on Saturday from 1p-3p in the park at Broadway and Canyon.

That is going to displace a lot of homeless/transients/beggers.

[def90]

It’s all bull shit in the end.. Don’t settle for anything but nothing. I have been in regular contact with one of the members here and the fact that many of them are back peddling shows that there is zero support for this in town, yes even in Boulder, they know it, and that putting this to a public ballot is a way for them to save face.

The city council member with the most votes at 5000 or so was Sam Weaver.. out of 80,000 people that voted in the last election. If people cared about the city council they would all easily be voted out by the actual number of firearms owners in Boulder which I believe to be higher than the national average. There should be close to 45,000 people voting for gun rights in Boulder if not more,

As for open carry protest.. I’m not for it. Any form of open carry protest will be portrayed by the media as a bunch of crazy gun nuts not unlike the Home Depot Tikki torch carriers of the fatal march a few months back in Virginia or whatever.

If you want to portray what we are as being law abiding regular next door neighbor people then that’s what you need to show, there is a large group of people that are indifferent out there that could be swayed either way.. the crazy rifle carrying guys or the people that look just like them..

[def90]

As for the exemptions of certain groups of people goes.. the exemption would allow you to buy/sell prohibited items but you would still need to put your name in the registry.. those not on the exemption list would be on the registry and not be able to buy any additional exempted items.

Exemption or not you are still subject to putting your name on a list. I will not put my name on a list. A list only leads to future discrimination or confiscation. It opens you to danger whether it be a public/business/social black list or a way for a random person to Dox or Swat you.

[.455_Hunter]

It all sounds like a lot of back peddling and attempts to save face. I surmise there is way more "back door" communication occuring between the council and various Boulder power brokers who happen to be gun owners. Grano is probably dumfounded on why her "no brainier" ordinance is proving to be just that- she has no clue other her set of official issue gun control talking points.