Trump= 2A threat.

[Will1776]

Actually as of today it is showing 57507 responses. I have been following daily for a while and most of the comments in recent days are for banning. Lots of the form letters, lots of simplistic; bump stocks bad, ban them, No one should have automatic weapons, type comments, just emotional responses, no basis in fact. As mentioned above, they don't have to heed any of them or use a majority of comments for or against. I would hazard a guess at the moment that there are far more comments for banning than not. They do have to respond to the generalized comments content in their rule promulgation but as we have seen earlier, "We do not agree" can be the response and they do what they want.
Comments close June 27, 2018, it will take a while to process the comments and then finalize the illegal rule change.

So the rule change is 100% going to happen and bump stocks being banned is just a matter of time?

[Eric P]

Florida is forgotten and no longer a threat to trump.

Trump is riding high and may let this fade away into nothing. No twitting or press release, just erased.

Wishful thinking, since I have been told many times, the ATF disagrees with the ban.

[CS1983]

Florida is forgotten and no longer a threat to trump.

Trump is riding high and may let this fade away into nothing. No twitting or press release, just erased.

Wishful thinking, since I have been told many times, the ATF disagrees with the ban.

Any particular reason they disagree? I imagine it would make their work much harder with such ambiguous language and far reaching implications.

[Martinjmpr]

Any particular reason they disagree? I imagine it would make their work much harder with such ambiguous language and far reaching implications.

My guess would be that it greatly increases the scope of their duties without increasing the resources they have.

As much as people on gun boards vilify the BATFE, they actually do go after real criminals, and I can't imagine that they want to cut into their actual-criminal-chasing time to pursue a politically driven flavor-of-the-week non-issue like bump stocks. Especially given that there is no real way to track them down - there are no 4473's for bump stocks, no record keeping requirements, etc.

Also, although they were used in the grisly mass shooting in Las Vegas, my assumption is that most actual criminals have no use for bump stocks, which means that chasing after bump stock owners means chasing after people who aren't an actual threat to anybody, and that takes time away from chasing after drug dealers, biker gangs and other people who traffic in illegal weapons.

[Squeeze]

My guess would be that it greatly increases the scope of their duties without increasing the resources they have.

As much as people on gun boards vilify the BATFE, they actually do go after real criminals, and I can't imagine that they want to cut into their actual-criminal-chasing time to pursue a politically driven flavor-of-the-week non-issue like bump stocks. Especially given that there is no real way to track them down - there are no 4473's for bump stocks, no record keeping requirements, etc.

Also, although they were used in the grisly mass shooting in Las Vegas, my assumption is that most actual criminals have no use for bump stocks, which means that chasing after bump stock owners means chasing after people who aren't an actual threat to anybody, and that takes time away from chasing after drug dealers, biker gangs and other people who traffic in illegal weapons.

Without naming names and specific agency, had a situation that happened here in the metro area. A local banger was arrested one evening. Subject happened to have an illegal SBS in his possession. Party is also a felon with a rather lengthy criminal record. Watch commander notifies local BATFE agent and states what he has. BATFE agent (in short) states we (the municipality) can deal with it however we want, they have no interest in it. So, from my experience, the BATFE does pick & choose what fish to fry. Not the first time that has happened either.

[OtterbatHellcat]

What's different about Bump Stocks?

Hyper sensitive MSM and pussified people that actually have the nerve to call themselves Americans?

[Great-Kazoo]

What's different about Bump Stocks?

Hyper sensitive MSM and pussified people that actually have the nerve to call themselves Americans?

Just renewed my subscription to your news letter

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[Rucker61]

Without naming names and specific agency, had a situation that happened here in the metro area. A local banger was arrested one evening. Subject happened to have an illegal SBS in his possession. Party is also a felon with a rather lengthy criminal record. Watch commander notifies local BATFE agent and states what he has. BATFE agent (in short) states we (the municipality) can deal with it however we want, they have no interest in it. So, from my experience, the BATFE does pick & choose what fish to fry. Not the first time that has happened either.

It's their MO. As we all know, it's a felony to lie on the Form 4473 trying to buy a gun. If you're a convicted felon, you have to say so. If you lie hoping to pass, you've identified yourself as a felon trying to get a gun, the kind of person that should be number one priority to arrest. After all, the FBI has your name, address, phone number and signature on a legal document that should easily lead to arrest and conviction.

In 2010, there were 76,142 denials referred by the FBI to the ATF for investigation, 34,459 of which were convicted or indicted felons. Only 4,732 were referred by ATF HQ to the field for further investigation. Of that almost five thousand referrals, 1,164 firearms were retrieved, a total of 62 cases were referred for prosecution, a total of 10 were convicted of offenses under 18 USC 922g and exactly 1 of those was convicted of lying on the Form 4473. One.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf

[Gman]

In 2010, there were 76,142 denials referred by the FBI to the ATF for investigation, 34,459 of which were convicted or indicted felons. Only 4,732 were referred by ATF HQ to the field for further investigation. Of that almost five thousand referrals, 1,164 firearms were retrieved, a total of 62 cases were referred for prosecution, a total of 10 were convicted of offenses under 18 USC 922g and exactly 1 of those was convicted of lying on the Form 4473. One.

If you do the math for how many 4473 forms were processed vs. the number of prosecutions, it's an insanely low percentage. When you realize how much is spent on so little value, a rational person wonders why so much is being spent for so little value.

Based on the math in the report you linked;
Table 1. Background checks by the FBI in 2010

Applications for firearm transfer 6,037,394
Denials / denial rate 72,659 1.2%
Most common denial reasons / percent of denials
Felony indictment or conviction 34,459 47.4%
Fugitive 13,862 19.1%
State law prohibition 7,666 10.6%

Conviction rate (13 guilty pleas) based on the number of applications: 0.0002153 %

...but if it saves only 1 life...