I need an NFA transfer!

[Vitesse304]

Who is the cheapest for an NFA transfer in Colorado? Or is the standard $50?

[Ridge]

Best bet is probably Machine Gun Tours in Dumont.

[Great-Kazoo]

are you buying a NFA item from out of state, or looking to purchase new?
the majority of NFA FFl's do not charge a transfer fee for new NFA items from the mfg.
www.machineguntours.com

[Bailey Guns]

Dave Mitchell in Pine...303-838-3810.

Type 07/SOT. I don't know what his transfer fee for NFA stuff is...I know he doesn't charge any transfer fee if you buy the item from him.

Guns (non NFA) are usually 10% over cost + shipping + 4.3% tax.

[Vitesse304]

I wanted to buy a tac-65 and I called up Jensen's. They said it would be $250 for the can, $50 for the transfer and tax putting the can right at $320.

Tactical Innovations says that they are a stocking dealer, so that's not cool to tack on an additional $50 for the transfer.

So now I'm looking for an NFA dealer to handle the transfer or, find a stocking dealer that won't charge a $50 transfer fee on an item they stock.

I'm probably just gonna go buy a SWF or Gem-Tech from Alan in Dumont because I can get close to the same price without an addititioal $50 transfer fee...

[Circuits]

I charge more than $50, but I would never charge a transfer fee on a stocking item... that's just wrong. On in-stock items, the dealer's profit comes (or should) from the markup, not additional fees they tack on. Good luck with your purchase.

[Hoser]

Tactical Innovations says that they are a stocking dealer, so that's not cool to tack on an additional $50 for the transfer.

Dont forget that they are a business and an FFL costs $$$ to maintain. Granted there isnt *that* much paperwork in the way of a transfer, but an employee does have to take some time to complete it.

That said, good call on Alan. I have bought all my NFA stuff from him.

[MuzzleFlash]

I don't know why Bob Jensen charges for the paperwork when he also gets the profit margin on the can. As far as I know, he's the only dealer that does this.

Alan Samuels at Machinegun Tours or Greg Satre at Denver Bullet would be good choices in the Denver metro.

$50 is pretty damn unlikely if he doesn't sell you the can - i.e. he has no profit to offset his labor. Most C3 dealers charge $75 to $100 for a NFA transfer. Here is what is typical of what the SOT dealer does for his transfer fee:

0. Pay $500 to $1000 per year for the Special Occupational Taxpayer stamp certificate that qualifies them to deal, manufacturer+deal or import+deal in NFA firearms. This is over and above the FFL fees that all dealers pay. This has to be amortized across the transfers just like FFL fees, business overhead, capital equipment (safes, FAX, computers, etc), OPEX (phone calls, postage, etc.).

1. Provide FFL/SOT info to the SOT seller so they can fill out the tax-exempt Form 3.

- OR -

1. Fill out the "front side" Form 4 or verify that the seller correctly fills out their part before giving it to you to send in with the $200 check. Sometimes this involves calling the seller and helping them through their end of the paperwork if they are inexperienced.

2. Wait 0.5-2 months to get F4 approval.
3. Do the inevitable phone calls to ATF in Martinsburg to find out if the transfer is in the pipeline. Gently beg and cajole the examiner to expedite your paperwork. Help with any issues that come up such as mistakes on the forms (if he didn't review them), expiration of the seller's FFL or SOT, failure of the seller to file paperwork when he moved 2 years ago, lost paperwork, etc. This crap happens more often than you would think.
4. Receive the item from the seller when the transfer paperwork is eventually approved. Since many SOT's have day jobs, this often means working at home to meet the delivery, etc.
5. Provide you with the Form 4, FP cards, etc. for the transfer to you.
6. Provide you with guidance for getting local CLEO sign-off.
7. Verify you have all the paperwork in order before sending it off. Little things matter like if you use the wrong color ink on the FP cards, or your passport photos aren't scaled correctly, etc. This is the sort of anal retentive stuff the ATF rejects applications for. His job is to screen for all of that ahead of time.
8. Store your stuff in his safe for 2-4 months while the BATFE processes the paperwork. Most SOT's have overcrowded gun safes so don't be surprised if they break the gun down and ask you to stop by and take the non-serialized parts home with you (stocks, uppers, etc.)
9. Call NFA branch and gently beg and cajole the examiner to expedite your paperwork because you WILL be asking him to do so after you've struck out with the examiner.
10. Receive the approved forms and then have you fill out the 4473 prior to the transfer (NICS check is waived).
11. Transfer the item.

Your FFL/SOT is a professional just like an auto mechanic or a home repairman. He has specialized knowledge, has licensing, overhead, liability, etc. He will usually invest 2 or 3 hours of his time over the course of the transfer with much of it invested in personal communications with you and the seller. Plus he provides secure storage services.

[Vitesse304]

Thanks for the insight Muzzleflash, and Hoser, yes I understand all businesses gotta make a profit!

Which is why I'd rather buy locally instead of having to buy online...I guess I just got a bug up my butt and got pissed when Jensen's told me they were going to charge another $50.

I'll check with Alan and Greg and see what they can get for me!

[Bailey Guns]

The other option is you can get the FFL/SOT and do it yourself...

Or maybe the $50 is money well spent.