March for Our Lives

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Just out of curiosity what do you see as divisiveness? What could gun owners do to be less divisive on a topic where, as of yesterday, they now admit they want all of 2A gone? It seems like an absolute position that implies much future badness.


And in all honesty, the reasonable things aren't even on the table anymore for us to give, they are being given up willingly (e.g. FL BGCs, age limits, etc...). Look at CO and tell us what we could do to put the other side at ease? I don't know about MN, but here they won't let us protect the schools! They ignore Denver's casual violence, for now. We have BGCs, we have mag limits. We could give age limits on ARs but it will be ineffective and then we'll be talking AWB.


If you've had conversations with the other side you've probably experienced some of what I have. You remain calm and polite, acknowledge the concern and agree that kids getting murdered is unacceptable, cite facts/statistics, talk about why the US has 2A, and get called a child murderer once the talking points fail. Those talking points they've been given are designed to shut is us down which is why they get so angry when they fail. They believe them like a religion (most can't define an "assault weapon" but talk about them like nuclear weapons and are shocked when I explain the concept of semi-auto [wood vs synthetic, how common they are]). This was never a conversation and the people funding it are paying for an outcome.


I see it as a soft civil war and the differences are irreconcilable. Someone has to lose and someone has to win. If we walk away, we lose. And it's not just guns, it's coming to a head on guns because so many understand that is the red line. As gun owners that puts us in the middle of it all which is really shitty! If it were 1A it would be Christians and Libertarians (people in UK being arrested for speech right now btw). Imagine how divisive that will be when folks are told what they are/are not allowed to believe! Would it be appropriate to back down and say those on the side of freedom are being divisive because they won't bend their knee?


I could also give you all the examples of what the Left has said they would like to do to me and my family. I could show all the names I've been called individually and as a gun owner. I'm sorry gun owners have embarrassed you, but maybe you should look at the cost of losing. Throw in AntiFa and the global interest against Trump and I'm surprised at shots haven't been fired at this point.


This isn't getting healed and it isn't going away.


If it were just my hobby, I'd give it to them like a participation trophy. It's not a hobby.

What could gun owners do to be less divisive
Live in reality. Maybe it's just the fact that stupid people make more noise, but the whole "I can't wait until they kick down my door because then it's go time." That mentality is stupid at best. Gun owners as a group could never pull off the kind of measly rally that just happened in DC. All of these gun groups are their own worst enemy. They spend more time collecting money and fighting between themselves for membership than they do anything else. These groups are supposed to what? Escape the authorities where every they live and meet up in the woods to use their guerilla tactics to cripple the government and restore the Constitution? Give me a break. To accomplish this everyone would need to be self-less in their sacrifice. What do we see today? "We'll it's not my state so that sucks." "Only libs live in Commifornia". The exact opposite. The rights have already been infringed so when exactly is it time? "When it's time you'll know." All dumb shit that is said.

The reality of it is that we live in a society in which people are told every opinion (if you agree with me) matters. Feelings matter more than logic and security trumps freedom and privacy. Slowly most people are buying into it. Does it surprise you that the reasoning for the laws they want are grounded in feelings? Most people have internet accounts to share their actions or opinions throughout the day. I'm am not a fan of this, but then again who gives a shit other than me about my opinion? Our society clearly likes it.

In my opinion the judicial system, congress, the press and the military leadership are corrupt or at best not representing the "citizens" of this country. The patriot act destroy's the bill of rights and that's just the start, but what's the solution? At what point are you advocating for a way of life that no longer exists and the masses don't want it to exist? I don't believe that is today, but how many years? When I was younger I had to learn my lesson in doing and maybe the best way to learn is by hardship. I don't believe the government is hell bent on imprisoning and murdering it's citizens. After all who would pay them taxes?

You sound like you are doing great work, but the cards are stacked against all of us. Nobody cares about your logic so honestly it's just a waste of time. Our society as a whole has to come to the decision that it doesn't want the government to run out of control, but as it sits today it's not going that way.