DOJ / ATF moves on Bump Stocks = Machine Guns

[davsel]

Official info at:
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...k-type-devices

SUMMARY:
The Department of Justice (Department) proposes to amend the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives regulations to clarify that “bump fire” stocks, slide-fire devices, and devices with certain similar characteristics (bump-stock-type devices) are “machineguns” as defined by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) and the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), because such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger. Specifically, these devices convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun by functioning as a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that harnesses the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm in a manner that allows the trigger to reset and continue firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter. Hence, a semiautomatic firearm to which a bump-stock-type device is attached is able to produce automatic fire with a single pull of the trigger. With limited exceptions, primarily as to government agencies, the GCA makes it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun unless it was lawfully possessed prior to the effective date of the statute. The bump-stock-type devices covered by this proposed rule were not in existence prior to the GCA's effective date, and therefore would fall within the prohibition on machineguns if this Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) is implemented. Consequently, current possessors of these devices would be required to surrender them, destroy them, or otherwise render them permanently inoperable upon the effective date of the final rule.

[crays]

SUMMARY:
..... because such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger. Specifically, these devices convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun by functioning as a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that harnesses the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm in a manner that allows the trigger to reset and continue firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter. Hence, a semiautomatic firearm to which a bump-stock-type device is attached is able to produce automatic fire with a single pull of the trigger......

Total BS

So I guess they believe that once you pull the trigger that first time, you just have to hang on and wait until you are out of ammunition to cease firing? How F'n stupid are all these people?

Consequently, current possessors of these devices would be required to surrender them, destroy them, or otherwise render them permanently inoperable upon the effective date of the final rule.

And so now, law abiding citizens are force to forfeit/destroy legally acquired personal property, with no just compensation, at the whim of the gov?

[Circuits]

Total BS

So I guess they believe that once you pull the trigger that first time, you just have to hang on and wait until you are out of ammunition to cease firing? How F'n stupid are all these people?

What DOJ believes and the truth are immaterial - the DOJ has been ordered to produce a desired outcome (banning bumpstocks) and is proposing a way to produce that outcome.

[CoGirl303]

Total BS

And so now, law abiding citizens are force to forfeit/destroy legally acquired personal property, with no just compensation, at the whim of the gov?

They're inviting a risk of pandora's box of Ruby Ridges to take place with this nonsense should it pass.

However it's still open for discussion because it's still in open comment status, plus Guns of America and some other 2A organizations will be filing a lawsuit to contest it when they officially rule on it and ban them.

I'd say GOA has a pretty good chance to win too based on the ATF's initial ruling in 2009 and some good science (physics) on their side. They need to attack the language of the term machine gun. That's the key. A few video demonstrations of bump firing with belt loops and wooden dowels will support the physical evidence that a bump stock is not and never has been a machine gun. A quality physicist with a PhD as an expert witness would serve them well here.

With limited exceptions, primarily as to government agencies, the GCA makes it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun unless it was lawfully possessed prior to the effective date of the statute. The bump-stock-type devices covered by this proposed rule were not in existence prior to the GCA's effective date, and therefore would fall within the prohibition on machineguns if this Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) is implemented.

Ummm, it was legal from 2009-Present to have them, how can they pre-date legal purchases as illegal by retroatively ruling them prohibited?



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[Grant H.]

They're inviting a risk of pandora's box of Ruby Ridges to take place with this nonsense should it pass.

The infamous "They" WANT a nearly endless supply of Ruby Ridge's or Waco's.

RR/Waco types of actions will be tolerated by the general populace of America, and many FUDD gun owners will be on board with the .gov "dealing with those law breakers..." (Just for specificity, I am NOT calling anyone on this board a FUDD. CYA - Long Story)...

[Mod edit: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/166770-...D-HEAR-ME-WELL ]

[Great-Kazoo]

The only hope that this country has of RR/Waco not being repeated is the use of the Internet/Social Media, as we witnessed in the Bundy Ranch incident.

Between the .gov patriot act, suckerberg and bill gates. The web could go dark right before kick off time.

CB, Hand Held and SW radio's are the way to go.

[Grant H.]

Between the .gov patriot act, suckerberg and bill gates. The web could go dark right before kick off time.

CB, Hand Held and SW radio's are the way to go.

While I completely agree with you on having CB/HH/SW radios on hand, your supposition that they will still work if they are truly trying to black out the area is faulty. Broad Spectrum jamming would eliminate all of those as working options.

The idea of blocking internet/social media only works if it is a coordinated, nationwide, simultaneous attack on the compounds.

I firmly believe that the Bundy Stand Off only succeeded due to Internet/Social Media/Real Time news/etc. Otherwise it would have gone very differently, and the truth would never have been known.

[Fmedges]

Total BS

So I guess they believe that once you pull the trigger that first time, you just have to hang on and wait until you are out of ammunition to cease firing? How F'n stupid are all these people?




And so now, law abiding citizens are force to forfeit/destroy legally acquired personal property, with no just compensation, at the whim of the gov?

They aren’t stupid they know exactly that this is untrue.

[Mazin]

So they will change the wording of the definition of semiautomatic then, right now it's one round fired per trigger pull, and even with a bump stock the trigger is being pulled once per firing sequence so what's the new definition? What's physical manipulation then, holding a ride is manipulating it, taking it off the Saftey is manipulating it, loading it and racking it is manipulating it........this is some ground work for sure.

[ben4372]

What about all the people that learned to bump fire without a bump fire stock? Or will it be unlawful to do so? And will they ban Jerry Miculek? How is the dollars and sense going to work. Seems this will set a precedent. How does something just become illegal? Is there any sanctuary states for guns, with the state just not enforcing the laws? Sorry I have so many questions, but every day the world makes less sense.