DOJ / ATF moves on Bump Stocks = Machine Guns

[CoGirl303]

Total BS

And so now, law abiding citizens are force to forfeit/destroy legally acquired personal property, with no just compensation, at the whim of the gov?

They're inviting a risk of pandora's box of Ruby Ridges to take place with this nonsense should it pass.

However it's still open for discussion because it's still in open comment status, plus Guns of America and some other 2A organizations will be filing a lawsuit to contest it when they officially rule on it and ban them.

I'd say GOA has a pretty good chance to win too based on the ATF's initial ruling in 2009 and some good science (physics) on their side. They need to attack the language of the term machine gun. That's the key. A few video demonstrations of bump firing with belt loops and wooden dowels will support the physical evidence that a bump stock is not and never has been a machine gun. A quality physicist with a PhD as an expert witness would serve them well here.

With limited exceptions, primarily as to government agencies, the GCA makes it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun unless it was lawfully possessed prior to the effective date of the statute. The bump-stock-type devices covered by this proposed rule were not in existence prior to the GCA's effective date, and therefore would fall within the prohibition on machineguns if this Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) is implemented.

Ummm, it was legal from 2009-Present to have them, how can they pre-date legal purchases as illegal by retroatively ruling them prohibited?



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[Grant H.]

They're inviting a risk of pandora's box of Ruby Ridges to take place with this nonsense should it pass.

The infamous "They" WANT a nearly endless supply of Ruby Ridge's or Waco's.

RR/Waco types of actions will be tolerated by the general populace of America, and many FUDD gun owners will be on board with the .gov "dealing with those law breakers..." (Just for specificity, I am NOT calling anyone on this board a FUDD. CYA - Long Story)...

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[Great-Kazoo]

The only hope that this country has of RR/Waco not being repeated is the use of the Internet/Social Media, as we witnessed in the Bundy Ranch incident.

Between the .gov patriot act, suckerberg and bill gates. The web could go dark right before kick off time.

CB, Hand Held and SW radio's are the way to go.

[Grant H.]

Between the .gov patriot act, suckerberg and bill gates. The web could go dark right before kick off time.

CB, Hand Held and SW radio's are the way to go.

While I completely agree with you on having CB/HH/SW radios on hand, your supposition that they will still work if they are truly trying to black out the area is faulty. Broad Spectrum jamming would eliminate all of those as working options.

The idea of blocking internet/social media only works if it is a coordinated, nationwide, simultaneous attack on the compounds.

I firmly believe that the Bundy Stand Off only succeeded due to Internet/Social Media/Real Time news/etc. Otherwise it would have gone very differently, and the truth would never have been known.