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    Done. Thanks for the link.


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    Done. I feel like I was pushing a boulder up a hill. But if they back down it will be worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOC View Post
    But if they back down it will be worth it.
    I'm sure they'll listen just as well as they listened to the overwhelming negative comments on 41P.

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    An overwhelming amount of comments worked for M855 ammo...
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    That was one heck of a lot of writing. In guess someone has to justify their employment.

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    This is what I'm posting to comment on the rule change and CC'ing it to all my elected representatives:

    This proposed rule change regarding bump stocks is misguided, unfair and arguably illegal and I want to register my opposition to the proposed rule change in the strongest terms possible.

    The main purpose of the proposed bump stock ban, among other reasons, is apparently in the interest of safety. Well, that's just nonsense. Aside from the single incident where one madman used a bump-stock equipped rifle(s) in Las Vegas, NV, I can't recall a single incident where a bump stock was used in a crime…at least a crime of any significance. This knee-jerk reaction is attempting to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

    Even those who advocate for gun control, while they likely support this proposed ban, recognize it's symbolic only and many say it's just a distraction designed to divert attention away from an administration and congress that generally doesn’t consider gun control to be a top priority. They’re right. This will do absolutely nothing to enhance the safety of American citizens and to state otherwise is to be dishonest with the American people. Dishonesty seems to be running rampant within the US government, especially within the DoJ, recently and only tends to make a distrustful population even more apt to distrust the federal government.

    By the BATFE’s own estimates up to 500,000 bump stocks have been lawfully sold over the past 10 years or so. That’s 500,000 American citizens that paid good money, sometimes up to $400 or more, for a product that had the blessing of the very agency that now wants to rewrite the rules. People purchased these bump stocks which often, or perhaps always, included a letter from the BATFE stating the items did not use any sort of spring or other mechanical assist to alter the firing rate of the gun to which it was attached. They bought them in good faith that the same agency that said it was lawful wouldn’t arbitrarily change their minds. Fancy explanations notwithstanding, that’s exactly what this is - an arbitrary decision. Nothing has changed with the bump stocks or the way they function. The only change has been in the political climate that demands the government “do something”.

    Now the BATFE is telling hundreds of thousands of law-abiding American citizens that lawfully purchased an item they have no choice but to surrender it to the government or destroy it. They’re being forced, ironically at the point of a government gun, to give up their property because of one man who broke any number of already existing laws to murder innocent people. What happened to due process? Apparently that doesn’t exist in the BATFE world. Due process has been replaced by bureaucrats attempting to placate anti-gun groups without regard to real solutions and without regard to the rights of law-abiding American citizens. Why would the BATFE take an action that adversely affects the rights of American citizens, confiscates their lawfully owned property without compensation and potentially turns honest citizens into criminals?

    Patriots of the American Revolution went to war with a king over the same type of tyrannical actions. Freedom from an oppressive government is important to Americans.

    Why is there not a provision in this rule to either grandfather or register bump stocks already lawfully owned by private citizens? Make no mistake…I don’t condone registration of any sort. But I suppose, given the two bad choices of confiscation or registration, I’d take the lesser of the two evils. There is certainly precedent for this type of solution.

    If this is about safety, why is the government not confiscating cellular phones and cars? Distracted drivers, many of whom are distracted by their cell phones, are responsible for far more deaths and injuries than bump stocks. If this was really about keeping the public safe we’d be seeing potential bans on many, many other items. But we all know it’s not really about safety. It’s about political correctness and nothing more. After it’s done the DoJ can proudly say, “We did something”. It apparently doesn’t really matter to the DoJ that “something” is an utterly useless gesture that negatively affects only law-abiding people who have done nothing wrong other than trust their government.

    Gun confiscation, unlawfully taking private property from individuals, failure to allow due process and over-reaching government regulations are sure signs of a heavy handed, tyrannical government that has no regard for law-abiding citizens. The BATFE has a history of such actions along with other illegal activity such as the infamous “Fast and Furious” scandal. And now BATFE bureaucrats want to take private property away from Americans and we’re supposed to trust that it’s in our best interest? It’s not right and it’s not what the Founding Fathers of this country had in mind when they wrote the Constitution and the Second Amendment.

    I urge the DoJ and BATFE to reconsider this ruling.
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    done did.

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    Hit!

    Did you guys see the stats/numbers?

    In other words, the number of bump-stock-type devices held by the public could range from about 280,000 to about 520,000.
    Since the majority of bump-stock-type devices are made of plastic material, individuals wishing to destroy the devices themselves could simply use a hammer to break apart the devices and throw the pieces away.
    Overall, ATF estimates that the total cost of this proposed rule would be $297.2 million over a 10-year period of future analysis.
    They don't clearly separate out the government vs private costs. But assuming all private costs are incurred in 2018 from destruction and surrender, this rule change is going to cost taxpayers about $20M each year.

    Imagine what a mag ban would cost!

    Oh, and if these were metal the destruction costs would be greater which would make the rule change appear to be more expensive. Their assumed costs are based on individuals being able to take a hammer to break them apart.
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