Dems want Colorado Red Flag Law

[DavieD55]

Fuck. Compromise.





Okay, so let me spell this out for any of you that have any doubts. A family member (even if not residing with you for years, say your in-laws, your ex-wife, estranged family) or household member (roommates, etc.) or a law enforcement officer (broadly defined) can file a document with the court - without your knowledge- alleging you are a threat. Anything in the document has to be presumed true by the court, because it is ex-parte. The petitioner risks "perjury" if they lie. It's presumed true as an ex-parte application, your firearms are immediately revoked without an investigation, your carry permit is immediately revoked, and we worry about due process later, in fact you have to FIGHT to obtain a hearing. The risk of perjury sounds like a safeguard right? But how many of you have any court experience?

I have NEVER EVER, FUCKING EVER, SEEN EVEN A CITATION FOR PERJURY even on the MOST FUCKING OUTLANDISH EX PARTE APPLICATION on this state. Attorneys and parties routinely forge documents outright in court, and there are no ramifications even when caught red handed. People make false affiants all the time, there are no ramifications even when caught red handed. I have dozens in my file that would blow. your. fucking. mind. This bill is the single biggest risk to your firearm rights within this state.

Bear in mind that this places your lifetime access to your firearm rights in the control of two people 1) Pretty much every vindictive person you've ever known in your life COUPLED with 2) A very biased judge appointed by one of the most liberal governors in the country. [becoming more and more true as we go forward].

This crap is an outright blank check to frivolously and without due process deprive people of the most important constitutional right; usually at a time when they need it the most. For every legitimate red flag, there will be a thousand that are abused. The magazine ban has NOTHING on this. The potential for future abuse is outstanding.

I am withholding my true thoughts on this bullshit movement. If any of you think "well there's some pros and cons to this" get the fuck off the site.

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This is communism folks.

[Martinjmpr]

Yeah, this looks like a bad deal all around.

So if weapons are surrendered, what happens to them? Do they get stored in the local LE agencies evidence room? Suppose that priceless heirloom firearm ends up going "missing" or damaged?

Presumably, sovereign immunity would shield the LE Agency from any and all liability which would mean you'd be SOL.

[Irving]

I'm not saying there is any good part of the law at all. It's interesting to hear the guy pitching it talk about it, because of course he doesn't get into the nitty gritty of the law or how the law works at all. Only throwing out figures about other states' usage and other unrelated stuff like, "I've never heard anyone who completely lost their rights be very upset about it." Uhh, what?

[Doc45]

Heard Tony Spurlock, DCSO Sheriff, earlier today on the radio saying how he’s a big 2A guy, owns lots of guns and thinks this bill is a good idea. Great, thanks for nothing.

[DenverGP]

Wonder how the law would handle it if someone red-flagged me, but all the guns in the safe at my house belonged to my wife, or to my son (he doesn't have a safe, so he stores them all in my safe)?

[Great-Kazoo]

Wonder how the law would handle it if someone red-flagged me, but all the guns in the safe at my house belonged to my wife, or to my son (he doesn't have a safe, so he stores them all in my safe)?

Based on CA, NY and other states. Not on premises. You'd have less rights than a former felon, which is interesting as anyone can buy a black powder kit. Or propane, gasoline etc.

[DenverGP]

But if they came to take them, and they weren't mine, would the owner be able to take them / relocate them?

[crays]

Heard Tony Spurlock, DCSO Sheriff, earlier today on the radio saying how he’s a big 2A guy, owns lots of guns and thinks this bill is a good idea. Great, thanks for nothing.

Maybe someone should red flag him since he's bragging about having a lot of guns... See if his supportive attitude changes any...

[hurley842002]

Maybe someone should red flag him since he's bragging about having a lot of guns... See if his supportive attitude changes any...

FTW!

[MrAK]

This scares the crap outta me as someone with an estranged and sociopathic sister :/