Dems want Colorado Red Flag Law

[DenverGP]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018...lative-process

[TFOGGER]

Just sent email to Dafna Whatshername, for all the good it will do...

[Great-Kazoo]

supposedly it sunsets in 1 year. Then has to be reviewed.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

So I saw that CA had one like this, what is the worst that has happened. These things give me the willies since it seems that we can't take care of people who are obviously trouble, like the Parkland shooter. A new tool that won't be used?

This is where we could get real compromise. 30 round mags back, CCW for SBRs- something. Hell, 30 rounders for CCW holders would be a sweet add, since it would get them 'back on the shelves' and let people be responsible for their own compliance.

And then go back for more when it comes time to review.....

[Gman]

I don't see where we're getting anything out of this.

[Joe_K]

Saw Tony “Two Faced” Spurlock on 9 News this morning holding a press conference telling Colorado legislators that if they don’t vote for this they don’t care enough, and that they don’t want to take anyone’s guns!

The worst part of this is they are attaching a dead Deputy’s name to this. Parrish would still be dead if this law had passed, all that would have changed is the responding officers would have had a piece of paper with them. Patrol officers should NOT be the ones entering an armed, mentally disturbed, barricaded suspects domicile to enforce ANY type of court ordered action, those types of calls should be reserved for SWAT.

[bellavite1]

Not good.
So, because of my beliefs, somebody could say that I am a public risk and my firearms (and my job at the range) are gone...

[Rucker61]

Fuck. Compromise.





Okay, so let me spell this out for any of you that have any doubts. A family member (even if not residing with you for years, say your in-laws, your ex-wife, estranged family) or household member (roommates, etc.) or a law enforcement officer (broadly defined) can file a document with the court - without your knowledge- alleging you are a threat. Anything in the document has to be presumed true by the court, because it is ex-parte. The petitioner risks "perjury" if they lie. It's presumed true as an ex-parte application, your firearms are immediately revoked without an investigation, your carry permit is immediately revoked, and we worry about due process later, in fact you have to FIGHT to obtain a hearing. The risk of perjury sounds like a safeguard right? But how many of you have any court experience?

I have NEVER EVER, FUCKING EVER, SEEN EVEN A CITATION FOR PERJURY even on the MOST FUCKING OUTLANDISH EX PARTE APPLICATION on this state. Attorneys and parties routinely forge documents outright in court, and there are no ramifications even when caught red handed. People make false affiants all the time, there are no ramifications even when caught red handed. I have dozens in my file that would blow. your. fucking. mind. This bill is the single biggest risk to your firearm rights within this state.

Bear in mind that this places your lifetime access to your firearm rights in the control of two people 1) Pretty much every vindictive person you've ever known in your life COUPLED with 2) A very biased judge appointed by one of the most liberal governors in the country. [becoming more and more true as we go forward].

This crap is an outright blank check to frivolously and without due process deprive people of the most important constitutional right; usually at a time when they need it the most. For every legitimate red flag, there will be a thousand that are abused. The magazine ban has NOTHING on this. The potential for future abuse is outstanding.

I am withholding my true thoughts on this bullshit movement. If any of you think "well there's some pros and cons to this" get the fuck off the site.

What does this mean? "The court must hold a temporary ERPO hearing in person or by telephone on the day the petition is filed or on the court day immediately following the day the petition is filed." Does this hearing have to include the respondent? What evidence support would a law enforcement officer have to present as a petitioner?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Someone said that this type of thing passed in CA- or which one is worse? What kind of court cases around it have there been? I would think if CA is like this, pretty much every divorce would start with one of these. So much for grounding your teenagers if you have guns...

It seems pretty unconstitutional to me in light of McDonald. Heck, you might as well have it that you can turn people in for suspecting that they are illegal aliens and they get deported.

Did the ACLU weigh in that like on the Social security financial thing back when Trump got into office?

Hell, if we can get something back for it and then get this part thrown out - but that is a high-risk poker hand.

What exactly was Chickenlooper going to do by exec action???

I do wish that the NRA would do something to address mental health and guns. Some kind of buddy program or something. Something to show that they are doing something- which is the left's definition of success . The left is great about trotting out gun victims as trying to extrapolate from there. Get a NRA program that some guys can say saved their lives and tout those stories. Call it 'NRA for Life', as in the NRA saved their lives, the NRA is a lifetime loyalty.

Otherwise, stupid, forced things like this are going to come.

This would be a complete shit show if the Sheriff shows up all tac'd out and has to use a uhaul to take stuff. Plus rummaging through all your mags for date stamps, counting all your rounds to see if you are breaking fire code- and who doesn't keep their best porn locked in the gun safe- the Swedish stuff.

ETA: The LEO path is a complete sham because all it takes is anyone to report to the local PD and they'll take it from there. You think the Denver police won't take that opportunity to go on a fishing expedition?

ETA: How do you prove that you aren't a threat?

ETA: It's not a 'Red Flag' law (outside of communist Russia connotations), it is a "Red Cape" law. What do you expect out of people that don't understand guns or violence, or frankly the rule of law.

[Irving]

CPR had an interview with the guy who introduced the law. There seems to be a lot of information that isn't being posted here. None that will really change anyone's mind about it, but still a lot of missing information if you're just getting info from this site.