Texas High School Shooting

[Irving]

We're not taking about most people. I think there is an aspect of not being a youth, but if we're going to talk about how defective Cluster-B people are, let's be thorough.

[TFOGGER]

We're not taking about most people. I think there is an aspect of not being a youth, but if we're going to talk about how defective Cluster-B people are, let's be thorough.

Even Cluster B sociopaths are capable of restraint by adulthood, as long as it suits their plans. Narcissism and lack of empathy to not necessarily imply a lack of impulse control. Sociopaths are capable of long term planning, particularly when it comes to manipulating others.

[Irving]

Agreed. Perhaps once adults they realize goals beyond infamy.

[def90]

Tangential evidence form this latest shooting points to romantic rejection being a possible trigger. I wouldn't limit to saying "goals", but if we all look back at our own histories (first breakup, cheating, first rejection, etc.) the emotional "range" is felt a lot harder in our youth. So even a violent cluster-b - which is the minority - will be tempered by the time they reach adulthood. A controlling/manipulative teenager who is failing at their social pursuits... reacts soooooo soooo much worse than Bob at the office, after Sheila is the 10,000th woman to tell him to pack fudge up his ass.

Maybe that's the result of "everybody is a winner" that people have been pushing the last decade or two? We used to learn early on that not everyone wins.. when you are told that you are special and everyone is equal your entire childhood that first bombshell that you've been lied to your entire life has got to sting quite a bit.

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[cstone]

I understand the science but I also study history and I am not willing to let any knowledgeable people execute justice on whatever scientific evidence they maybe relying on today. This was the way of eugenics.

Each person deserves to be tried and judged on their own actions, not a blood test or the results of a psychiatric examination.

Does this mean that innocent people may suffer and die? Yes, but that only motivates me and others who choose to protect the innocent to up our game. Government in the hands of those who believe they are smart enough to pre-judge others based on any criteria is a recipe for mass murder.

[Gman]

Why aren't there more mass shootings at offices? All the same conditions and cliques of high school exist in corporate settings as well. What is the difference?

I saw that point brought up on Fox News Sunday this morning. Gabrielle Gifford's anti-gun astronaut husband was going after Oliver North for pointing out that the schools needed a solution. Mike Wallace defended the statement since these occurrences are happening at schools, not workplaces.

[Irving]

The slope you're on is beyond slippery.

[TFOGGER]

As someone who grew up with a cluster-b sociopath in the household, I can pretty much confirm everything Foxtrot has said. The damage they can do without ever getting held accountable is enormous. I'm not so sure about his solutions, but the issue is not going away, and there is no way to "fix" a sociopath. In my case, the person in question was by far the smartest person in our family, and was easily smart enough to convince several psychiatrists and therapists that WE, not she, were the cause of the problems. All of the signs were readily apparent by age 12(I was 4).

[Aloha_Shooter]

The canister, the film, projector and screen for a movie are inanimate just as the disk, net connection, computer, and monitor are for a video game. However, the movie/TV show/game itself at NOT inanimate objects, they are intentionally immersive experiences. It's actually quite easy to see how more realistic "action" in movie or game desensitizes viewers or players to brutal physical violence and lots of it. Even those who won't act on their feelings will frequently exit the theater or end the game more "charged up" -- hell, I saw that coming out of theaters playing "Rocky" or "First Blood" or Bruce Lee movies. In Hawaii, you could see it right after "Kikaida" or "Kamen Rider V-3" episodes aired.

Most of us won't go much beyond pantomiming movements or having a quick daydream about the idiot who cut you off in traffic or who shamed you in front of the entire company but it only takes one or two with lower barriers to make things difficult for the rest of us. There are over 300 million people in the US. Assume just a quarter of those have access to firearms or other weaponry. Assume 1 in 10 million would do anything more than fantasize about their response to a "trigger event" in their lives in any given year. That's still more than 7 events per year -- 7 events which are one thing if it's just a barroom brawl and a whole other thing if the person thinks about "the Chicago Way" or telling his/her presumed adversary to "say hello to my leetle frien' ".

These thresholds are being lowered now, more frequently and with more graphic depictions of wanton violence (as opposed to the targeted violence in the past) with a growing population of people whose self-control leaves something to be desired. Is it really any wonder that we see the occasional result of a trigger event? I just heard this morning that the shooter had been pursuing a girl at school and she got so fed up with it that she publicly embarrassed him last week. I would venture most of us here would have just curled up and died after being publicly humiliated but it's not surprising a self-described duster who liked kamikazes, Iron Crosses, and hammers-and-sickles went a bit further.

How do you fix this? The same way we've had to traditionally: taking responsibility for our culture -- and I'm not talking about a gun culture.

[crays]

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USA Today Praises School Shooter's Use Of 'Less Lethal Weapons' To Kill 10

Santa Fe, TX – USA Today has published an article that claimed the Santa Fe High School shooter’s deadly rampage could have been much worse, and credited the gunman’s “use of less-lethal weapons” as the likely reason more people weren’t killed.

"Less lethal" is a term used to describe weapons which are unlikely to be lethal, but may result in death in rare occasions.


Examples of less-lethal weapons include Tasers and rubber bullets. They do not include firearms with live ammunition.

Santa Fe High School student Dimitrios Pagourtzis murdered 10 people – and injured 10 more – when he opened fire inside the school on Friday morning.

Police entered the school just eight minutes after the first 911 call of shots fired was placed, according to KHOU.

Pagourtzis, 17, was armed with a shotgun and a .38 revolver, both of which he had taken from his father, The Mercury News reported.

USA Today expressed relief that Pagourtzis used such “less-lethal weapons” to murder his peers and faculty, and claimed that the firearms “may have slowed down the gunman’s deadly rampage because they have a slower firing rate.”

The periodical compared the weapons Pagourtzis used to an AR-15, which it claimed “can be fired more than twice as fast as most handguns.” This statement is entirely inaccurate.

The AR-15’s larger magazine would also allow “a shooter to continue firing interrupted for longer, making the weapon more lethal than other firearms,” USA Today asserted.

“In Friday's attack, it's likely the weapons may have kept the death toll from rising,” the news outlet concluded.

According to USA Today, “less lethal weapons” were also used in the “deadly attack at Virginia Tech” in 2007, when student Seung-Hui Cho murdered 32 people with two handguns.
In actuality, an AR-15 – a semiautomatic rifle – cannot be fired any more rapidly than the weapons Pagourtzis used, with regards to trigger pull.

Depending on the type of ammunition, a shotgun has the ability to send multiple projectiles downrange with each shot, as opposed to the single bullet fired by an AR-15.

It's unclear why the publication would claim evidenced by the 10 individuals he ruthlessly killed.

Pagourtzis’ weapons also would not have been affected by any new gun control legislation, which has banned “assault weapons,” and “high capacity magazines” in some areas.

Police first received a 911 call of shots fired at Santa Fe High School at 7:32 a.m., KHOU reported.


Retired Houston Police Officer John Barnes, who went on to work as an officer at Santa Fe ISD PD, was the first one to engage Pagourtzis.

Officer Barnes, 49, sustained a gunshot wound to the upper arm, which caused a severe injury to a major blood vessel, and shattered bones in his elbow.

The officer lost a significant amount of blood at the scene, and was transported to the University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB) by air ambulance in critical condition.

Medical personnel said that Officer Barnes was “bleeding out,” when he arrived, and that his “blood pressure was very low.”

The officer was rushed into surgery at 9:20 a.m., and his vital signs have since stabilized.

He was still in surgery to address shattered bones in his elbow as of Friday afternoon.

Two other victims were also being treated at the same hospital, while multiple other patients had been taken to Clear Lake Regional Hospital, WLS reported.

According to KHOU, Pagourtzis surrendered himself to police at 10:06 a.m., but said his intention had been to commit suicide.

An 18-year-old individual was also detained with Pagourtzis, the news outlet reported.

Investigators have confirmed the presence of explosive devices at the school – including pressure cookers and Molotov cocktails – and were working to ascertain whether or not additional explosive devices were planted in other locations, to include the gunman’s home.

Students said they saw Pagourtzis wearing a trench coat, army boots, and a t-shirt with the words “Born to Kill,” on the morning of the attack, KIAH reported.

Many said he was quiet, and tended to stay to himself.

Some believed he had been bullied.

According to Heavy, Pagourtzis posted a photo of a handgun and a knife on his Instagram page. In the bio section of his profile, he simply wrote, “Numb.”


His Facebook page allegedly included a photograph of a long coat covered with Nazi symbols, and he listed the significance of the symbols in the photo caption.

Pagourtzis’ social media accounts have since been deleted.