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    Bill Elder vs Michael Angley. I just started getting stuff in the mail from Angley. Hadn't really been paying attention and I'm not sure how true the allegations about Bill Elder are. Angley claims to be a true conservative, but talk is cheap. All I can find on this guy is that he is a writer. What are your thoughts on who to vote for, and why?
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    Angley will need to brush up on immigration law if he wants to be sheriff. His written opinion shows his ignorance.

    I know Bill Elder and would vote for him again in a heartbeat.
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    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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    Care to elaborate?
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    Elder's beef with the past sheriff and everything that goes along with "the Elder file" is all I need to know that Elder is crooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    Care to elaborate?
    Did you bother to read his position piece from the link posted?
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    Elder's beef with the past sheriff and everything that goes along with "the Elder file" is all I need to know that Elder is crooked.
    Maketa had a major melt down his third term and did some shady shit. Hard to blame Elder for that.
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGuy67 View Post
    Did you bother to read his position piece from the link posted?
    Yes, I did. But I didn't make the claim it's out of compliance with immigration law (for I do not know immigration law in any capacity to make a statement for or against the claim), whereas you did. I'd like you to elaborate on that claim.
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    "I believe in legal immigration. Illegal immigration is a concern because of its impact in two areas: economic security and public safety. When people come to the United States illegally, they are unvetted. We simply have no idea who may be here for criminal, terror, or other nefarious reason. When I’m Sheriff, El Paso County will not be a Sanctuary County.

    The current El Paso County Sheriff Office (EPSO) policy with respect to illegal immigration seems to straddle the fence. It rightly prohibits profiling based on race and other factors. But it minimizes the time an individual can be held who is found to have violated federal immigration laws.

    In short, it’s a ‘Catch – Hold Briefly – Release’ policy. Individuals can only be held if there is an arrest warrant for a criminal violation. If the person’s only violation is a ‘civil’ infraction of immigration law, then he is to be released.

    I don’t think this solves the problem. Consistent with, and in compliance with, state and federal law, I intend to maximize discretion and detain for as long as is permissible and work in conjunction with federal immigration authorities on disposition.

    I will be compassionate. I will be fair. But I WILL enforce the law."

    The local sheriff does not have authority to hold people on immigration violations. That remains the responsibility of the feds. When local authorities contact a admitted or suspected illegal alien, we cannot hold them for that violation. We can contact ICE and they will decide if they are willing to take custody of them (mostly does not happen). As such, we as local authorities can only hold this person for the time authorized in whatever state level case they are involved in. He wants to say Elder isn't doing enough and he would do more, but there isn't any more to do. If ICE doesn't put a detainer on the person, they are required to be released from custody. What 'sanctuary cities' are trying to do is refuse the detainers and insist on a court order for the holding of the subject. El Paso was just successfully sued for honoring the ICE detainers and the judge allowed the case to go class action suit. So, exactly what does Angley think he will do differently? Especially since his position seems to indicate that Elder isn't doing enough.
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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    I see. Thank you for clarifying.
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